Agreed, in past during more superstitious/religious times, religion was widely used to promote wars. Today it's still used but not as much, except in the more backwards countries and 'backwoods' areas even in the USA.
Seven Myths About Taxing the Rich
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Now according to Marx unions are suppose to lead to the Communist revolutions that were suppose to sweep the world. Now that would have been war by Union. Good think Marx was wrong about just about everything. I do wonder where workers rights and wages would be today if Unions had not existed?
I don't disagree with your main point. My only point was that it would be a mistake to exempt food and clothing. With the use of rebates, the poor would still pay no net tax at the end of the year. This would be true whether or not you got rid of the income tax at the same time.onthebottom said:
BTW, if you want to get rid of income tax completely, the easiest way would be to just make all savings tax deductable. When you get right down to it, consumption is equal to income minus savings (C = Y – C) . Assuming people don’t store money in mattresses, they either spend their income, save it or pay taxes with it. By allowing people to deduct all savings from income, before they pay tax, you basically end up just taxing there consumption without the hassle of collecting it at the retail level. Moreover, this method would have the advantage of allowing you to tax consumption with any degree of progressivity you want. If you don’t want the poor to pay any tax, just make the first $X exempt.
The only big advantage of taxing consumption at the retail level directly would be to get people who don’t declare all their income (leading under calculating of consumption once they subtract savings)
Once again from the high intellectual plane of the right we have...
The Mexi who doesn't seem to know that we don't really call them retards any more although we could have a show of hands to use it just in your case.
themexi said:And they have just as many fucking retards that will parrot whatever slogans they're told to in spite of any fact
The Mexi who doesn't seem to know that we don't really call them retards any more although we could have a show of hands to use it just in your case.
This is one of the reasons I favor a consumption tax, another is that it would remove the need for tax accountants....someone said:
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Mrbig1949 said:
I am fully aware that those individuals afflicted with cognitive disorders, who were formally referred to as retards, mental defectives, etc are now referred to by a term that while still accurate is more compassionate: Mentally Challenged Developmentally challenged, Handicapped, etc...
Which I think is great.... not only because I see no point in making fun of such people but also because this circumstance frees up the more perjorative terms to be liberally applied to BigMouth, fullofshit fucking morons such as yourself.....
For a University History Professor who claims to also own an empire of 3 companies with a whopping workforce of 7 people who will be unionizing shortly you really aren`t all that fucking swift are you????
However, as a fan of Occam`s razor it must be said that it is FAR more likely........
THAT YOU MRBIGMOUTH(&tinycock) ARE FULL OF SHIT!!!!!!
Do we really need to see me giving you yet another well deserved verbal fisting on yet another thread?????****
Do you love losing that much?????
***thread referred to where MrBigmouth repeatedly comes back for a verbal asskicking: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2723160&posted=1#post2723160
And this makes them different from the millions of mindnumbed lemmings who daily parrot what Mullah Limbaugh serves them up to swallow?....themexi said:
Wow are you ever barking up the wrong tree...
I've heard that dumb fuck speak all of twice if I remember correctly.... He has nothing to say beyond the odd entertaining quip...
I am not a republican or a conservative ... they don't speak for me..... Then again neither do pussy ass liberals or democrats.....
I speak for me...
I am neither left wing nor right wing.... I'm a bird that still possesses both wings & I fly free of all of that bullshit....
Reality is my creed, my god, my everything..... as part of reality I can deal with it on equal terms & it is perfectly fair to all, because everything happens because of what happened before it.... the facts that reveal the true causes of things give me better direction than any bible or political white paper.... While I will never be my or anyone elses idea of perfection I understand we are all perfect in that we are exactly as we are because if we could have been different it would be so.....
My comfort comes from accepting what is & what can be done... not what someone convinces me could be or should be according to an ideology.... One cannot make the world in the image of an idea.... it is a fools errand to try to dismiss reality & hide from it..... no amount of faith or hope or belief can sheild you form reality because it simply is... You have to deal with reality in a way totally foreign to those who deal with gods & ideologies.... You must deal with it directly & honestly... unblinking & unafraid knowing that you are equal to it because you are one & the same.... The thing is you have no choice to deal with reality one way or the other... because it is dealing with you...
Most people are far too afraid to feel alone & far too stupid to realize that as a part of reality they never were, are, or ever will be alone. Those weaklings will never know true contentment or peace..... fuck'em
See... I understand that in this world Most people belong in vast camps that fight with the 'other side" & also amongst themselves as to whos more loyal to the dogma & can scream the spoonfed talking points slogan of the day loudest & most convincingly to the most people...
People like that do the things they do for the simple reason that most people have neither the time, intellect, courage or even the Intrest to actually sit down & think for themselves..... It's more comfortable to expend their extra energy in a directed safe manner that will endear them to their adopted tribes.....
See most people i feel are essentially good.... & desparately want to feel like they're doing something... they want to feel like they're part of something & that they matter..... But most people for the reason mentioned above have to rely on the cause of the day, dealt to them by their leaders... to do that.
The sad thing is that they are basically surrendering the one true freedom, the Only true freedom, that all of us have that cannot be taken away but is all to quickly thrown away.... The freedom to observe the world & figure things out for themselves.....whatever camp or cause or party they surrender this most precious of gifts merely USES them like a tool to ends that are far too often completely different than the ones represented.....
Since these people surrender their minds for those paltry temporary feelings of undeserved greatness doled out in spoonfuls to controll them as a mass tool for their masters.... i have ZERO respect for them.....
So keep on dishing out your manufactured insults "Left' & "right"...... theyre as empty as the holes in your souls left by the surrendering of your freedom of independant thought............ It matters not to me, I see you for what you are & I use you too..... not only for my own enrichment.... but for me endless amusement as well
Dance you soulless fucking puppets.... DANCE!!!!!!
I've heard that dumb fuck speak all of twice if I remember correctly.... He has nothing to say beyond the odd entertaining quip...
I am not a republican or a conservative ... they don't speak for me..... Then again neither do pussy ass liberals or democrats.....
I speak for me...
I am neither left wing nor right wing.... I'm a bird that still possesses both wings & I fly free of all of that bullshit....
Reality is my creed, my god, my everything..... as part of reality I can deal with it on equal terms & it is perfectly fair to all, because everything happens because of what happened before it.... the facts that reveal the true causes of things give me better direction than any bible or political white paper.... While I will never be my or anyone elses idea of perfection I understand we are all perfect in that we are exactly as we are because if we could have been different it would be so.....
My comfort comes from accepting what is & what can be done... not what someone convinces me could be or should be according to an ideology.... One cannot make the world in the image of an idea.... it is a fools errand to try to dismiss reality & hide from it..... no amount of faith or hope or belief can sheild you form reality because it simply is... You have to deal with reality in a way totally foreign to those who deal with gods & ideologies.... You must deal with it directly & honestly... unblinking & unafraid knowing that you are equal to it because you are one & the same.... The thing is you have no choice to deal with reality one way or the other... because it is dealing with you...
Most people are far too afraid to feel alone & far too stupid to realize that as a part of reality they never were, are, or ever will be alone. Those weaklings will never know true contentment or peace..... fuck'em
See... I understand that in this world Most people belong in vast camps that fight with the 'other side" & also amongst themselves as to whos more loyal to the dogma & can scream the spoonfed talking points slogan of the day loudest & most convincingly to the most people...
People like that do the things they do for the simple reason that most people have neither the time, intellect, courage or even the Intrest to actually sit down & think for themselves..... It's more comfortable to expend their extra energy in a directed safe manner that will endear them to their adopted tribes.....
See most people i feel are essentially good.... & desparately want to feel like they're doing something... they want to feel like they're part of something & that they matter..... But most people for the reason mentioned above have to rely on the cause of the day, dealt to them by their leaders... to do that.
The sad thing is that they are basically surrendering the one true freedom, the Only true freedom, that all of us have that cannot be taken away but is all to quickly thrown away.... The freedom to observe the world & figure things out for themselves.....whatever camp or cause or party they surrender this most precious of gifts merely USES them like a tool to ends that are far too often completely different than the ones represented.....
Since these people surrender their minds for those paltry temporary feelings of undeserved greatness doled out in spoonfuls to controll them as a mass tool for their masters.... i have ZERO respect for them.....
So keep on dishing out your manufactured insults "Left' & "right"...... theyre as empty as the holes in your souls left by the surrendering of your freedom of independant thought............ It matters not to me, I see you for what you are & I use you too..... not only for my own enrichment.... but for me endless amusement as well
Dance you soulless fucking puppets.... DANCE!!!!!!
Wow professor.... that's one of your more origional ones.... it's only the 2nd time I've heard it from you you limp dicked lying unorigional fuck......
I'll get back to your regual verbal assr@ping session later.....
I know you're looking forward to it because you wouldn't keep coming back for more if you didn't so lube up sunshine... I'm bringing the gauntlet this time
I'll get back to your regual verbal assr@ping session later.....
I know you're looking forward to it because you wouldn't keep coming back for more if you didn't so lube up sunshine... I'm bringing the gauntlet this time
Really, why bother, perhaps one in a hundred posts has any real content....themexi said:Wow professor.... that's one of your more origional ones.... it's only the 2nd time I've heard it from you you limp dicked lying unorigional fuck......
I'll get back to your regual verbal assr@ping session later.....
I know you're looking forward to it because you wouldn't keep coming back for more if you didn't so lube up sunshine... I'm bringing the gauntlet this time
He's Pekkkr light.
OTB
onthebottom said:
I'm just curious is all.... I get bored... MrBig1949 amusing....
Its just fun to hang MrBig1949s out to dry publicly, over & over & over so I'm sure I haven't missed exposing MrBig1949 for the lying sack of shit he is....
I like the idea that every time MrBig1949 reads me call MrBig1949 a lying sack of shit it sinks in just a little bit deeper....
knowing that MrBig1949 can't do a thing about it except look weaker every time he ducks answering those few simple questions that MrBig1949 should be able to answer were MrBig1949 even CLOSE to being what MrBig1949 claims to be.... & every time MrBig1949e doesn't he looks more like a lying piece of shit......And MrBig1949 knows it...
It's just fun is all
However misguided Pekkkr is at least he has a social conscience whereas Big does not. Like most big labour mouthpieces he will lie routinely and has lost all touch with the difference between right and wrong.onthebottom said:
You are quite correct however, why bother.
So Union's then do not change things through strikes? Are you saying that striking unions in Marx view do absolutely nothing. He has written tons over time on unions and their need is society, as has Engels. Just a quick google on Marx and unions and you will have proof. There is a lot of reading on it. More than I would care to do. Yet Marx and Engels both have some good thoughts in among all the other stuff. It is often a good idea to do a google on a subject before replying and perhaps you won't make themexi seem so correct about you.Mrbig1949 said:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1909/07/unions.htmMrbig1949 said:
Marx said: “The trade unions should never be affiliated with or made dependent upon a political society if they are to fulfil the object for which they were formed. If this happens it means their death blow. The trade unions are the schools for Socialism,
I GUESS ^ THIS IS WHERE YOU STOPPED READING THE COLES NOTES YOU LAZY FUCK
Ahem...continued:
the workers are there educated up to Socialism by means of the incessant struggle against capitalism which is being carried on before their eyes. All political parties, be they what they may, can hold sway over the mass of the workers for only a time: the trade unions, on the other hand, capture them permanently; only the trade unions are thus able to represent a real working-class party, and to form a bulwark against the power of capital. The greater mass of the workers conceive the necessity of bettering their material position whatever political party they may belong to. Once the material position of the worker has improved, he can then devote himself to the better education of his children; his wife and children need not go to the factory, and he himself can pay some attention to his own mental education, he can the better see to his physique. He becomes a Socialist without knowing it.” This quotation is only an interview, not a signed article by Marx, consequently it is possible that it does not altogether accurately represent Marx’s meaning. However, it is probable that Marx saw it in print, for it appeared in the Volksstaat, and, if so, he would have corrected it had he found it to be erroneous. Thus, although we cannot vouch for its absolute accuracy, it is yet worthy of attention, and although such an attitude seems very strange to us now, it is yet readily explained by the position of affairs at that time.
I think it's safe to say that Marx had a LOT to say about unions...................
Give me a clue here MrBigMouth&stuntedpecker....
What sort of history did you supposedly teach at university??????
The verbal fistfucking shall resume again as soon as you ask for it again....... & by asking for it I mean that by so much as typing a single letter on this forum that isn't an answer to the NUMEROUS challenges to your bullshit..........
