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Republican Senator Warns About Impeachment Of Past Democratic Presidents

jcpro

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A) The possible penalties are limited to removal and prohibition. Just those two. I'm sorry the English language doesn't work the way you want it to.
B) Absence from the text means it is absent from the text. "You can do this," does not mean "Everything else is forbidden." Nice try.
C) Where does it say that in the Constitution? That that is the objective. Just because you think that is true doesn't make it so. (And historical precedent and context is against you here.)
D) Really? Show me that must since you say it is explicit. And since you insist on splitting hairs, let me remind you that if you want to interpret it as a must for a President then Trump isn't President.
E) Not a Constitutional issue, but an argument against conviction. He is free to make that case. That would imply that he is being impeached for just the statement though, which he is not.
The text of the Constitution is available free on line. Read it before talking out of your ass.
 

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The punishment is SET you lazy ignoramus. It's right there in the fucking Constitution: Article 1, Section 3.
Except for banning, that is decided by the senate.
Match point.

And tone down the insults.
If I were Phil McNasty or contact you'd be banned already.
 

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It doesn't matter, Trump is no longer in office therefore he cannot be removed. The Constitution clearly states- removal and a ban. It's a package deal. The objective of impeachment is removal from office. Period. Everything else is illegal and a violation of the Constitution, hence no Chief Justice. He wouldn't soil his hands with such sordid affair.
I don't care if they impeach him if they can ensure that he is unable mount his divisive campaign of lies and conmanship and run again.
 

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I don't care if they impeach him if they can ensure that he is unable mount his divisive campaign of lies and conmanship and run again.
Doesn't look like the senate will convict, but there will be an actual trial this time, with actual evidence (my nipples get hard just thinking about it) and by the time it's over the Donald will not be electable at the national level. He wouldn't even make it to Super Tuesday...
 

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"is better to say nothing and let people think you are an idiot, than to speak and prove them right"- I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks.
My statement is accurate. That explains why it makes no sense to you in your Bizarro world. You'll have to do better than that.

By the way, you got the saying wrong. 🤣 🤪 (y)
 

shack

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Doesn't look like the senate will convict, but there will be an actual trial this time, with actual evidence (my nipples get hard just thinking about it) and by the time it's over the Donald will not be electable at the national level. He wouldn't even make it to Super Tuesday...
And I believe that evidence presented and proven at the senate trial would be admissible as evidence if there were ever any criminal trial related to these occurrences. This would be another good reason for the Dems to proceed, even if nothing comes of it. The evidence is now on the record.
 

jcpro

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My statement is accurate. That explains why it makes no sense to you in your Bizarro world. You'll have to do better than that.

By the way, you got the saying wrong. 🤣 🤪 (y)
"trump has already been removed from office. The only thing left to decide is if he gets banned from future attempts"- this is your quote. It is factually wrong. Trump hasn't been removed. He stepped down after losing the vote. And to ban Trump from running again the Senate needs to secure a conviction removing him from office- which it cannot. Btw, I'm not a language expert such as yourself, English is only my third language, but I believe that we capitalize proper names, even when that name is Trump.
 

jcpro

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Fixed it for you.
You didn't fix anything. You only demonstrated, again, that you're either invested in a particular outcome or you're clueless. Bad, either way or hilarious- depending on the pov.
 
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The text of the Constitution is available free on line. Read it before talking out of your ass.
JC, answer the guy's points and don't scuttle away as usual. This is NOT an answer.
 

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"trump has already been removed from office. The only thing left to decide is if he gets banned from future attempts"- this is your quote. It is factually wrong. Trump hasn't been removed. He stepped down after losing the vote.
trump was removed. He had no options.

Seriously, you are sounding more agitated lately and your posts have become more delusional starting Nov. 3 and even more so since Jan.6. Clearly this has hit you hard, but I suspect that this is a common reaction when a cultist realizes that everything that he believed in and dedicated himself to was a big fat fairy tale of a lie. It must be a shock to realize that you've been duped and played for a fool. Sorry that you have to go through this. I imagine that it's going to take a while for you to work through this. Good luck.
 
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jcpro

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trump was removed. He had no options.

Seriously, you are sounding more agitated lately and your posts have become more delusional starting Nov. 3 and even more so since Jan.6. Clearly this has hit you hard, but I suspect that this is a common reaction when a cultist realizes that everything that he believed in and dedicated himself to was a big fat fairy tale of a lie. It must be a shock to realize that you've been duped and played for a fool. Sorry that you have to go through this. I imagine that it's going to take a while for you to work through this. Good luck.
Still factually wrong.
 

Valcazar

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The text of the Constitution is available free on line. Read it before talking out of your ass.
I have read it. You should try. Then look at the Federalist papers maybe? The debates at the convention are interesting as well. Also the debates about whether to ratify it once written.
Gives you a good sense of what they wrote and why.

English is only my third language,
This might explain why you are having trouble. You seem to be assuming the text of the constitution is following some kind of narrow constrained logic. For instance, you seem to think "and" is a logical conjunction and not a grammatical one. If I say I like redheads, blondes, and brunettes I am not saying that someone has to have all three hair colours for me to like them. :) This whole argument that they can't secure a conviction to bar him from previous office because they can't secure a conviction to remove him from office first seems to be tied together by this idea of strict formal logic which isn't applicable.

JC, answer the guy's points and don't scuttle away as usual. This is NOT an answer.
It's ok. I really am starting to think it is a language problem he has, trapping him in this kind of formal logic analysis instead of reading the Constitution as written.
 

jcpro

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I have read it. You should try. Then look at the Federalist papers maybe? The debates at the convention are interesting as well. Also the debates about whether to ratify it once written.
Gives you a good sense of what they wrote and why.



This might explain why you are having trouble. You seem to be assuming the text of the constitution is following some kind of narrow constrained logic. For instance, you seem to think "and" is a logical conjunction and not a grammatical one. If I say I like redheads, blondes, and brunettes I am not saying that someone has to have all three hair colours for me to like them. :) This whole argument that they can't secure a conviction to bar him from previous office because they can't secure a conviction to remove him from office first seems to be tied together by this idea of strict formal logic which isn't applicable.



It's ok. I really am starting to think it is a language problem he has, trapping him in this kind of formal logic analysis instead of reading the Constitution as written.
When the Constitution says that during the impeachment of president the Chief Justice of SCOTUS shall preside, I stick with the text. You can spin it any way you want it. When the text explicitly states that the judgement shall not extend beyond removal AND disqualification- I side with the text. You, since you have a far superior knowledge of the language, can spin, revise and extend until the cows come home. Yet, in the end, the Senate Democrats will still be in the violation of the law.
 

Valcazar

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When the Constitution says that during the impeachment of president the Chief Justice of SCOTUS shall preside, I stick with the text.
Sure. And Trump isn't President so it doesn't apply. If it did, then Roberts would be presiding, or he would have specified that he isn't presiding because it is unconstitutional or something.
He would have had to explain why he is shirking his constitutional duty.

You can spin it any way you want it. When the text explicitly states that the judgement shall not extend beyond removal AND disqualification- I side with the text.
As do I. The Democrats are not asking for a judgment beyond those two elements. They are asking for disqualification, since removal is moot.

You, since you have a far superior knowledge of the language, can spin, revise and extend until the cows come home. Yet, in the end, the Senate Democrats will still be in the violation of the law.
What law are they in violation of? As you can see above, they aren't in violation of the constitution. Is there some statute you think they are in violation of?
 

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The text of the Constitution is available free on line. Read it before talking out of your ass.
Do you think Professor Laurence Tribe read the constitution before he wrote the book on Constitutional Law which is used in most law schools?
 
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