Open Discussion: Increasing Average Rates Getting Too High?

[Tiny_royal3]

All 100% true.

I’ll probably get some hate from both sides for this but here goes …..

I think more men need to release they have a responsibility to do their research and stop being mesmerized by fake pics and dirty talk. It’s your hard earned money. Stop getting mad at people taking it and start investing it properly by doing your research. You don’t hire a contractor, lawyer or accountant without reviews or a referral. Why should sex purchasing be any different? Part of the blame is on you if you insist on scrolling through LL or other similar sites and not looking up reviews. Or leaving right away when you know the pics are a complete B&S. How many times do we see, pics were not of her but I decided to stay. If she lied about her pics, why would you think she didn’t lie about her services.

And more men need to review. Especially the bad experiences. We all know who the top providers are in Durham and reviews of us are great, don’t stop. But start reviewing the shitty ones a little more. It only helps out you hobbyist more. So many lurkers and not enough reviews. We all know who the top reviewers in Durham are as well. We need more reviews.

I think more ladies need to release that just because one person charges a certain rate, doesn’t mean that should be your rate too. Your rates should be based on your required quota, days working, expenses paid, and service provided, as well as age, looks and location combined. I’m a BBW. In her 40s. I’m not going to command $500/hr. Those are just facts. It is not a knock to myself as I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a 40 something BBW. But I’m not an idiot either and know that a woman who is 25 with an hour glass shape, big boobs, phat ass and with the same menu and great service as me - is more inline with $400-500/hr. If not more, based on looks and age. And I say possibly more, based on location.

If you can’t make all the money you need as income in Durham, then as suggested - tour. Touring is a great way to double, if not triple your monthly income from here in Durham. And touring can be as simple as heading to Markham which is only 30 mins away. This is from my personal experience.

Or get a second source of income. No one says that escorting has to be your main source and if COVID taught us anything, having multiple income streams is beneficial, even if it means some extra work. Not all can do this, I understand but most escorts can find other income streams if they try hard enough.

That is my tough love for the day.

I agreer multiple hustle helps
that why I babysitting
Train dogs
And teach dance
And volunteer
And just having a passion for example fix cars and bike and racing and photography camping hiking boxing gymnastics exploring nature or new places something might lead you to your future .
And yes this is On top of doing adult entertainment.
Just find a passion and use what we learn for working in Telly into your passion

 

[SexConnoisseur]

If anyone wants to see me today, I’m here And yes I am Werido and I fully embraced it since I was a child, I will admit I have mental health which does hinder me most days THATS WHY I agree too see everyone when I’m feel 100% that is why I have amazing reviews because when I’m 100% I give my clients 100%
If you want a half ass service I don’t provide that so what you might feel as excuses might be me trying to cover for my mental health because I don’t want to speak about a publicly if anyone has realized, I’m very very private person when people just shut down it’s something out of are control I try my hardest to not get there but as I said, no one understands what someone’s going through until they actually speak the fuck up.
But I’m just naturally bubbly and I overshare a lot but if you find I’m weird, then you’re not meant to be my client my energy is a vibe I have ADHD so I do go off topic half the time, but don’t ever slander me because you feel I’m weird because do I really wanna drop the messages of how many people ghosted me so who is supposed to come yesterday at 12 and change the time to one didn’t show up cause on my snap. Everyone saw my make up done and Me dressed waiting for an appointment and I was on cam yesterday's at 2 something and I was home all day. I didn’t leave until 11 PM.

Hey, thanks for your honesty & speaking up. A lot of people endure mental issues but suffer in silence. I can related to being ADHD brained (Not clinical diagnosed), but that doesn’t excuse your/mine actions or behaviour with other people.
It’s still unprofessional & disrespecting peoples time specially when they are paying you for your time.
Timewasters is a part of the “job”, tis what it is.
Our correspondence was weird, you started texting broken English & expected me to understand. It’s clear you CAN speak in full sentences & not only speak in slang & broken English from your messages on this board.
I literally had to ask ChatGTP to interpret what you were saying. That was a 1st for me & grateful for AI.
I was surprised to see I was wasn’t the only one, that’s had similar problems trying to communicate with you. Take this as unwarranted constructive feedback.

 

[dreeba34]

I’m sorry, but for the same prices I can go and get 25 year olds in Toronto that are in shape. Why does a 45 year old charge me 200-220 for HH in Durham or more let’s be real. That’s Durham for you though.

Amen...this is the truth.... its just greed all over in Durham ...extremely few reasonably priced SPs (for the service provided)...
I'd only pay top dollar for Foxy Lady and Xina...... the rest are unreasonable and full of excuses and if they wanted to be in business, reduce yer prices and make profit in volume...you got to work harder for your money
theres healthy competition around you in the GTA (Scarborough, North York, Toronto, Mississauga ) and even in Belleville

the topic was about 'whether Durham was getting overpriced for hobbyists' and I laugh while this thread has turned into a sob story for service providers and how they need multiple sources of income, fucking internet hosting prices, prices of soap, provider's cars breaking down on the 401 delaying a hobbyists session.. the crazy ridiculous tangents they'll take you on

I also saw one SP threaten a hobbyist with bad service (#106) just coz he called her out on her BS. This is exactly the kind of opinions you'll get when accounts are compromised, which are ok with what service providers say or do for fear of bad service or retribution during a session. The more you listen to them going ''yeah im ok with whatever an SP charges however inflated' further inflates overall prices. Im pretty sure these 45-50 year old unreliable providers will use these same compromised accounts to peddle their lies and narratives, and within no time theyll start charging $300 for half an hour.

 

[Tiny_royal3]

Because

Hey, thanks for your honesty & speaking up. A lot of people endure mental issues but suffer in silence. I can related to being ADHD brained (Not clinical diagnosed), but that doesn’t excuse your/mine actions or behaviour with other people.
It’s still unprofessional & disrespecting peoples time specially when they are paying you for your time.
Timewasters is a part of the “job”, tis what it is.
Our correspondence was weird, you started texting broken English & expected me to understand. It’s clear you CAN speak in full sentences & not only speak in slang & broken English from your messages on this board.
I literally had to ask ChatGTP to interpret what you were saying. That was a 1st for me & grateful for AI.
I was surprised to see I was wasn’t the only one, that’s had similar problems trying to communicate with you. Take this as unwarranted constructive feedback.

i think

Amen...this is the truth.... its just greed all over in Durham ...extremely few reasonably priced SPs (for the service provided)...
I'd only pay top dollar for Foxy Lady and Xina...... the rest are unreasonable and full of excuses and if they wanted to be in business, reduce yer prices and make profit in volume...you got to work harder for your money
theres healthy competition around you in the GTA (Scarborough, North York, Toronto, Mississauga ) and even in Belleville

the topic was about 'whether Durham was getting overpriced for hobbyists' and I laugh while this thread has turned into a sob story for service providers and how they need multiple sources of income, fucking internet hosting prices, prices of soap, provider's cars breaking down on the 401 delaying a hobbyists session.. the crazy ridiculous tangents they'll take you on

I also saw one SP threaten a hobbyist with bad service (#106) just coz he called her out on her BS. This is exactly the kind of opinions you'll get when accounts are compromised, which are ok with what service providers say or do for fear of bad service or retribution during a session. The more you listen to them going ''yeah im ok with whatever an SP charges however inflated' further inflates overall prices. Im pretty sure these 45-50 year old unreliable providers will use these same compromised accounts to peddle their lies and narratives, and within no time theyll start charging $300 for half an hour.

How was it broken on the 401 if I’m a G1 driver I told him the car was in the garage which I can see you guys from by the way. and the fact that the car my mechanic/clinet had was Hella loud and echoes through the whole neighborhood you could tell someone was getting a jump but ok should I go bar ask for footage then I never have driven on the highway day in life. Are you guys OK? You guys must think I’m very bold to break the law. Y’all got me messed up.
If I’m a G1 driver, why would I be on the highway that is illegal.
You guys do knows that right.
Make 0 sense why would I text client I broke down on highway knowing I’m g1 driver it illegal and the fact that your posting it and lying if my G1 gets taken away, guess what I have camera footage and photos that car hasn’t moved since February I was getting jump on my car YES! but in my garage Which is on simcoe st s not on 401 but as I said I will ask for camera footage of that night and we can watch me cry in rain how about that.

 

[RebelinBed]

I'd only pay top dollar for Foxy Lady and Xina...... the rest are unreasonable and full of excuses and if they wanted to be in business, reduce yer prices and make profit in volume...you got to work harder for your money
theres healthy competition around you in the GTA (Scarborough, North York, Toronto, Mississauga ) and even in Belleville

Dude, we get your stance on the subject. You don't need to keep coming back on here and literally copy and pasting the same thing on several different posts; what I left quoted above. We don't need your incessant negativity and certainly don't need you antagonizing whoever you can into whatever argument you want to have.

The goal is to try and make the situation here in Durham better for both clients and SPs. Your solution of "go to Markham, Scarborough, etc does not help solve this problem but only further perpetuate it by letting scammers and bad SPs win. We can't work together to make the situation better for everyone if we all don't understand each other's points of view. Not our individual points of view, but our general points of view as both clients and SPs. Personally, I found Jenesis & Eryka's comments to be most insightful and helpful to understand better their point of view. They have both also found several of our comments to be insightful so they understand our perspective as clients.

If all you want to do is see and talk about SPs from other cities and regions, then go into those sections of terb and discuss them there instead of bringing your negativity into the section of a region you clearly have a lot of disdain and hatred towards.

This is all I'm going to say to you about it and I am not going to get into a back and forth with you because clearly all you like to do here is argue with anyone who doesn't share your exact same points of view.

 

[Tiny_royal3]

You guys are saying something what’s untrue and I’m defending myself so I don’t think this argument if I’m giving the fax which is common sense how can I have a G1 driver be broken down on the highway? It makes zero sense so you guys actually go back and look what I said so how am I arguing if I’m restating the fact, but we arguing I don’t argue with people, that’s why I said talk Cheap action speak and my actions based off my reviews speak louder since I was 18 years old. The fact that January makes six years I’ve been in this industry why would I argue with someone? I just walk away clearly you’re assuming my character cool.

 

[dreeba34]

Dude, we get your stance on the subject. You don't need to keep coming back on here and literally copy and pasting the same thing on several different posts; what I left quoted above. We don't need your incessant negativity and certainly don't need you antagonizing whoever you can into whatever argument you want to have.

The goal is to try and make the situation here in Durham better for both clients and SPs. Your solution of "go to Markham, Scarborough, etc does not help solve this problem but only further perpetuate it by letting scammers and bad SPs win. We can't work together to make the situation better for everyone if we all don't understand each other's points of view. Not our individual points of view, but our general points of view as both clients and SPs. Personally, I found Jenesis & Eryka's comments to be most insightful and helpful to understand better their point of view. They have both also found several of our comments to be insightful so they understand our perspective as clients.

If all you want to do is see and talk about SPs from other cities and regions, then go into those sections of terb and discuss them there instead of bringing your negativity into the section of a region you clearly have a lot of disdain and hatred towards.

This is all I'm going to say to you about it and I am not going to get into a back and forth with you because clearly all you like to do here is argue with anyone who doesn't share your exact same points of view.

Instead, I am going to ask @Mod99 if they can please lock this thread and either suspend or ban dreeba's account please.

no ones spreading negativity here.. one man's freedom of expression is another's 'negativity'.

Nowhere did I say dont visit Durham SPs, just that there are extremely few options here who your own voting results clearly indicate are skewed to the ''expensive" side, there are also better options elsewhere...

AND I have kept each of my opinions to the topic on hand

you might have created the thread, but you have no right to dictate what our opinions on this topic should be (IF YOUR TITLE SAYS OPEN DISCUSSION lol)....we can all have differing opinions...you've got to have the stomach to 'tolerate' differing opinions.....tolerance my bud, tolerance

Everyone is free to express their own opinions about rising Service Provider's prices, don't like it, move on..

 

[dreeba34]

Your solution of "go to Markham, Scarborough, etc does not help solve this problem but only further perpetuate it by letting scammers and bad SPs win.

I'm really not sure how you made this implication ? Not trying to be confrontational or anything, just genuinely curious

 

[hemne234]

You claiming excuses I’m just being generally honest, how do I have a car on road if I been working on my car I’m a G1 driver still I didn’t do my G2 tester because I had to get a jump in my garage, which is parked,so what do you want me to FaceTime you right now and explain what’s going on my car I found in the rain the trunk has been open since May .The battery is fucked. You really think I wanna be around anybody if I found out my first vehicle I bought at 19 is fucked up and I’m 24 right to do my G2 test and I find out it’s messed up and that was my first car I bought so how do you think I felt emotionally mentally and physically cause I was ready to hit the roof and I remember one point my phone died, my mechanic which was a client came and I ran downstairs and left the phone on charger ,not the fact that we were trying to rip out the seats to get to the back where my battery is then we had a fight. Figure out where the jumper cables are post to be. It literally took a three hours. How long does the normal Take a jump 20 minutes that with the whole situation, even the mechanic didn’t even understand the car I literally was crying in the rain even my neighbor. One of my neighbors came down and tried to help that’s how bad it was. I literally was crying in the rain trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with this car sat down with the flashlight and realize the trunk was open since may my battery is in the trunk. OK so how do you think I felt when I know the only thing that can turn on this car is messed up.

what? that's not what you said was the issue at all! You clearly confused me for someone else.
Im not one to get into confrontation but girl, you go repair your car and maybe after that we could all give you a call to check if its ok, ok?
gosh Durham

 

[hemne234]

I think more ladies need to release that just because one person charges a certain rate, doesn’t mean that should be your rate too. Your rates should be based on your required quota, days working, expenses paid, and service provided, as well as age, looks and location combined.

This, this ...omg this

 

[that6969]

I highly enjoyed reading this as someone who's been doing this hobby on and off for a few years seeing the odd SP here or there. Unfortunately, I'm no longer in the GTA, so finding someone decent around here is extremely hard. I will say that there are on average 261 days in a year without including weekends. If a SP sees 2 or 3 clients making about $280 in a day (low balling) at even 200 days in a year that's about $56K. And yes these ladies do have to claim it somehow because you can't go around with that much cash on hand. The government is extremely tight along with the banks. And to move the money around by setting yourself up as a business incorp does cost money. A lot of people also forget expenses because many ladies do work in hotels/motels so that eats up profit along with gas and vehicle maintenance and car payments. I personally never paid $200 for HH, but I got no problem doing so if the service is great and I enjoy the provider. Unfortunately, where I am there's just one I'd consider a regular. And that basic calculation didn't include weekends which can count for sick days, off days and their period. Also staying at a hotel/motel isn't cheap. They don't let you rent a room by the hour IIRC.

And a lot of people forget most of these women tend to rent and rent even for a 1 bedroom place has gone up in many areas unless you want to live in some dump since you get what you paid for. And at that $56K calculation it's not considering when other things happen. Not many run their service from their place of rent or home. And the few who do at times probably have dealt with annoying clients because tons of people including SPs have mental health issues. There's also factors in play if they are into certain partying "items". Some use these for pain reasons too and those items aren't cheap. And some have to use the funds for legit meds they need too. There's also to consider if they don't have a partner so it's solely one income coming in and perhaps they have a kid(s) to feed. As for supply and demand that does play a role of course. It's like when a big sporting event or something happens some SPs charge 2 or 3 or more times than their normal rates because of volume. It's no different than some hotels charging more for rooms during peak season or events happening in the area. And as someone who's not a woman (clearly) some can't go 5 days in a row doing 2 or 3 guys a day without letting their body rest especially their private regions.

Plus compared to years ago the industry doesn't seem to be booming as much no different than stripclubs and being a pornstar that are struggling too. I'm sure some are making $60-80K roughly which can include party items trying to upsell things, but once again it doesn't factor into play expenses such as mortgage, rent, meds, car payments, etc.

I guess the average full time Walmart employee makes about $40K a year not factoring in overtime here in Ontario so people can see why some women prefer doing this as a business. Plus everyone's body is different and some do have a higher sex drive and enjoy what they do. There are a select few who do make 6 figures a year, but once again you're dealing with cash and e-transfer. These funds have to be claimed and the government takes their cut too otherwise you'll start to get questioned by the banks and them. And pain meds especially if you need higher doses aren't cheap. This line of business is risky due to STIs and physical issues. Many won't allow DFK or anything uncovered which I know as a guy sucks for some due to the sensation that comes with that, but there's tons of factor in play here.

As for the topic on hand if $200 HH average is too high I would say yes. And there are people out there still who charge under $150 for HH and some will include a lot of that price, but you get what you paid for. I haven't driven downtown Toronto in years, but who knows what the rates down there are for carcalls which also come with tons of risks. The odd few are making a better living just doing things online such as OF, but like anything such as being a real estate agent for example not everyone is gonna get to a certain level of income. You got winners, average folks and losers. Competition is good for any line of business, but making good money isn't easy or else tons of people would be making it. IIRC 90% of small businesses fail in the first year.

I think a rate between $140-180 HH is reasonable but quality also comes into play. The few I seen where I am I've only seen once typically and just stick to vids lol. Most weren't worth repeating besides the odd one or two. And for me driving over an hour or more (one way) for someone decent even for an hour is rarely worth a trip. Tinder also works well for people for less of the cost, but some guys don't wanna deal with being personal and sending too many msges. A lot of business owners and stuff who do this hobby just want the service and go back to their own business than deal with some emotions involved. I might have to make a trip this year or next to this region than where I am and see how it goes. Reading reviews on here for the past few years seems like it would be worth it than what I've been seeing around here lol.

 

[Mikediamond]

I think more ladies need to release that just because one person charges a certain rate, doesn’t mean that should be your rate too. Your rates should be based on your required quota, days working, expenses paid, and service provided, as well as age, looks and location combined. I’m a BBW. In her 40s. I’m not going to command $500/hr. Those are just facts. It is not a knock to myself as I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a 40 something BBW. But I’m not an idiot either and know that a woman who is 25 with an hour glass shape, big boobs, phat ass and with the same menu and great service as me - is more inline with $400-500/hr. If not more, based on looks and age. And I say possibly more, based on location.

You’re one of the most level-headed ladies on the board and posts like this are why. Telling others how to run their business instead of focusing on your own is pretty poor form. If your rates match your service and looks and you’re making what you want to make, why worry about what your competition is doing?

Boredom? Jealousy? Insecurities? Cattiness?

 

[dreeba34]

You’re one of the most level-headed ladies on the board

lol...not docking you bud, but this cannot be further from the truth...
look at any of her engagements on any thread. Thread starts off on topic, then goes off on random tangents coz of her
not saying you cant. Sure we want to hear both sides but the thread never stays to point

 

[foxxxy lady]

I am not sure if anyone is Jealous, not sure who told someine how to run their business? But it is hard to charge what you are worth even when you do have big beautiful breasts and a phat ass and hour glass shape in Durham Region. No I am not 20 but have been working out the past 2years 5x a day and look after my skin and feel and look better now then I did in my 20's . I have many reviews saying I am worth my rates but its others telling me what I should be charging in Durham . So I have a Special.. same great services with a hottie

Xo
Amber aka jessica rabbit
The Redhead nymph

 

[dreeba34]

I am not sure if anyone is Jealous, not sure who told someine how to run their business? But it is hard to charge what you are worth even when you do have big beautiful breasts and a phat ass and hour glass shape in Durham Region. No I am not 20 but have been working out the past 2years 5x a day and look after my skin and feel and look better now then I did in my 20's . I have many reviews saying I am worth my rates but its others telling me what I should be charging in Durham . So I have a Special.. same great services with a hottie

Xo
Amber aka jessica rabbit
The Redhead nymph

I'm not just talking just to you, but to others as well. Do what you will babe to survive. And me as a client will do what I have to to survive.
The genuine providers will have organic reviews of themselves without having to ask or solicit after their session --> again not singling you out, coz you are way, way above the generic crappy providers in Durham.

the results of this poll thumpingly say one thing and then there are a handful of providers whining and crying on this thread going off on tangents and not understanding that Durham clients feel that the region is too expensive for this hobby (you might not be one of them but, oh boy are there others who are!!!!)

The results of this poll explain themselves and when the majority agree that the average rate is WAY TOO HIGH, then I'd consider it rather uppity to claim that we're "telling someone how to run their business". When you charge wayyyy higher than what you're worth, I will not see you and this needs to be called out.

And how is giving you feed back that you are way too expensive (if you are), construed on your end to be '' telling someone how to run their business " ?

I hope you take this in the right spirit, coz at this moment, Im really hard pressed for someone in Durham who's reasonably priced apart from yourself, Asian Monica and Xina. And the singular good&deserving, but comparatively expensive provider raises her rates and the other not so good ones think its okay on their end to raise theirs to match yours and the price gouging goes on and here we are.

 

[foxxxy lady]

I'm not just talking just to you, but to others as well. Do what you will babe to survive. And me as a client will do what I have to to survive.
The genuine providers will have organic reviews of themselves without having to ask or solicit after their session --> again not singling you out, coz you are way, way above the generic crappy providers in Durham.

the results of this poll thumpingly say one thing and then there are a handful of providers whining and crying on this thread going off on tangents and not understanding that Durham clients feel that the region is too expensive for this hobby (you might not be one of them but, oh boy are there others who are!!!!)

The results of this poll explain themselves and when the majority agree that the average rate is WAY TOO HIGH, then I'd consider it rather uppity to claim that we're "telling someone how to run their business". When you charge wayyyy higher than what you're worth, I will not see you and this needs to be called out.

And how is giving you feed back that you are way too expensive (if you are), construed on your end to be '' telling someone how to run their business " ?

I hope you take this in the right spirit, coz at this moment, Im really hard pressed for someone in Durham who's reasonably priced apart from yourself, Asian Monica and Xina. And the singular good&deserving, but comparatively expensive provider raises her rates and the other not so good ones think its okay on their end to raise theirs to match yours and the price gouging goes on and here we are.

Babe I never said your poll was telling me how to run your business. I also appreciate ypu for agreeing my rates and a few other wimens rates are fair. I just said that I am not jealous, catty , whining and some of the other things in this thread I noticed ( not anything you said) I am not sure who you do see but it seems they are not for you. I have reviews because I deserve them and some clients like to give reviews, some don't and thats fine too. I am not sure why you are quoting what I said as being a personal attack on you because I was not at all. I am just saying that I understand that the rates are low here and I decided to give a Christmas present so clients can see me that normally won't because of my rates and maybe some clients who have not seen me in awhile can see how I have improved in many areas . I certainly dont want to argue with you or anyone else and I apologized to the person who felt I said her rates are to low. I think we all should just lighten up abit and have a good time.

Xo
Amber aka Jessica Rabbit
The Redhead nymph

 

[dreeba34]

Babe I never said your poll was telling me how to run your business. I also appreciate ypu for agreeing my rates and a few other wimens rates are fair. I just said that I am not jealous, catty , whining and some of the other things in this thread I noticed ( not anything you said) I am not sure who you do see but it seems they are not for you. I have reviews because I deserve them and some clients like to give reviews, some don't and thats fine too. I am not sure why you are quoting what I said as being a personal attack on you because I was not at all. I am just saying that I understand that the rates are low here and I decided to give a Christmas present so clients can see me that normally won't because of my rates and maybe some clients who have not seen me in awhile can see how I have improved in many areas . I certainly dont want to argue with you or anyone else and I apologized to the person who felt I said her rates are to low. I think we all should just lighten up abit and have a good time.

Xo
Amber aka Jessica Rabbit
The Redhead nymph

yep ok madam... my little ones stiff as I say that