No 60 Million Lotto Max winner…again, no winner

[Wappa]

Too bad for me. And anyone else with a ticket.

Speaking of anyone else…

…is anyone else tired/angry/suspicious of these “no winner” announcements from the OLG?!? How is there (frequently) no grand prize winner?!?

Shouldn’t a lottery always pay out? Doesn’t the OLG generate their own random numbers? That shit should go on until all prizes are awarded. Could you imagine if the PM LOTTO (or any of the like) didn’t draw winners for their grand prizes?

“Ooops, no winner, too bad, try again”

Still, I will continue paying the idiot tax. I’ll just feel even more like an idiot.

 

[anonemouse]

Shouldn’t a lottery always pay out? Doesn’t the OLG generate their own random numbers? That shit should go on until all prizes are awarded. Could you imagine if the PM LOTTO (or any of the like) didn’t draw winners for their grand prizes?

They are two totally different systems:

PM LOTTO (and others) pick from the pool of purchased tickets. Your odds of winning depend on how many tickets get sold.

OLG lotteries (649, Lotto Max) pick from the pool of possible numbers. Your odds of winning are easy to calculate ahead of time because no matter how many or how few tickets are sold, the odds stay the same.

I'd be interested in a huge prize (tens of millions) lottery where they pick from the pool of purchased tickets each week but it has a chance of losing money so I can't see them going for it.

 

[Wappa]

They are two totally different systems:

PM LOTTO (and others) pick from the pool of purchased tickets. Your odds of winning depend on how many tickets get sold.

OLG lotteries (649, Lotto Max) pick from the pool of possible numbers. Your odds of winning are easy to calculate ahead of time because no matter how many or how few tickets are sold, the odds stay the same.

I'd be interested in a huge prize (tens of millions) lottery where they pick from the pool of purchased tickets each week but it has a chance of losing money so I can't see them going for it.

Appreciate the explanation. I do know they are two different systems, but you articulate it well.

I doubt they’d lose money if they structured it properly.

My point is that there seems to be an inordinate amount grand prizes for which no winning number is generated, yet smaller jackpots frequently have multiple winners.

The saying is “you gotta be in it to win it”. There is no maybe.

I hereby conclude that the OLG’s system is the shit of the bull.

 

[anonemouse]

My point is that there seems to be an inordinate amount grand prizes for which no winning number is generated, yet smaller jackpots frequently have multiple winners.

Mathematically, that isn't true. Maybe here and there, but you can't bet against the law of large numbers.

It's more likely that you just notice missed large jackpots vs. missed smaller ones.

 

[NotADcotor]

My point is that there seems to be an inordinate amount grand prizes for which no winning number is generated, yet smaller jackpots frequently have multiple winners.

The amount of grand prize winners is actually ordinate and the status is quo.
Those smaller jackpots have much higher chances of winning.
Your odds of matching 7 of 7 numbers is 1 in 32 millionish
Matching 6 of 7 numbers is 1 in 113K ish.
You would expect about 300 times more people getting 6 out of 7 numbers than 7 out of 7.

The best thing of getting 7 out of 7 so low is that it doesn't get won, the money gets rolled up into the next draw and instead of playing for say 3 million dollars, you get prizes of 50 to 70 million once in a while which people go full potato about and start buying more tickets, while bitching that they wish the prize would get split up into smaller amounts so "more people can share". I am happy it is the way it is. I skip playing most weeks thus saving loads of money and get to dream of winning earth shaking amounts of money. A million bucks doesn't buy a lot of hookers and blow.


Just because you can't math doesn't mean it's bovine manure. That is something that makes me miffed and tried. Folks trying to make something out of something that isn't there because they don't understand it. It's OK not to understand something, everyone lacks an understanding of most things, it's how you react to said lack of understanding that makith the man.

 

[Wappa]

The amount of grand prize winners is actually ordinate and the status is quo.
Those smaller jackpots have much higher chances of winning.
Your odds of matching 7 of 7 numbers is 1 in 32 millionish
Matching 6 of 7 numbers is 1 in 113K ish.
You would expect about 300 times more people getting 6 out of 7 numbers than 7 out of 7.

The best thing of getting 7 out of 7 so low is that it doesn't get won, the money gets rolled up into the next draw and instead of playing for say 3 million dollars, you get prizes of 50 to 70 million once in a while which people go full potato about and start buying more tickets, while bitching that they wish the prize would get split up into smaller amounts so "more people can share". I am happy it is the way it is. I skip playing most weeks thus saving loads of money and get to dream of winning earth shaking amounts of money. A million bucks doesn't buy a lot of hookers and blow.


Just because you can't math doesn't mean it's bovine manure. That is something that makes me miffed and tried. Folks trying to make something out of something that isn't there because they don't understand it. It's OK not to understand something, everyone lacks an understanding of most things, it's how you react to said lack of understanding that makith the man.

It’s “maketh the man”. Just because you can’t spell doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try

And, to clarify, I wrote “there seems” …meaning, to me, it APPEARS as if many grand prizes jackpots aren’t awarded.

Sigh…mathletes are so eager to flex their knowledge. Tripping over the x/y axis without a proper read-through.

I was expressing my OPINION, and opinions don’t require mathematical proving. Here it is again…

1) in my OPINION (no need to apply the cosine law or whatever the fuck), the goddamn OLG should award every prize for every draw.

2) there SEEMS to be a large number of grand prize “carry overs” (which, in my opinion, suck). It SEEMS like there’s a headline every other week: “No Grand Prize Winner for the…”

So I call bullshit. In my opinion. I don’t GAF about whether or not the math works.

 

[NotADcotor]

It’s “maketh the man”. Just because you can’t spell, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t express your opinion.

I thought I spelled it wrong but I couldn't be bothered to look it up. Spelling as well as cake are my two weaknesses.
If I was commenting on spelling, then that mistake would be an issue.

 

[Wappa]

I thought I spelled it wrong but I couldn't be bothered to look it up. Spelling as well as cake are my two weaknesses.
If I was commenting on spelling, then that mistake would be an issue.

It’s an issue in my opinion. (You would have had to look it up?!!?! WOW)

Your snide tone prompted the correction, not your math.

 

[Scholar]

They are two totally different systems:

PM LOTTO (and others) pick from the pool of purchased tickets. Your odds of winning depend on how many tickets get sold.

OLG lotteries (649, Lotto Max) pick from the pool of possible numbers. Your odds of winning are easy to calculate ahead of time because no matter how many or how few tickets are sold, the odds stay the same.

I'd be interested in a huge prize (tens of millions) lottery where they pick from the pool of purchased tickets each week but it has a chance of losing money so I can't see them going for it.

They need to make a 50/50 draw for Ontario/Canada. That way there is a guaranteed winner every draw.

 

[anonemouse]

So I call bullshit. In my opinion. I don’t GAF about whether or not the math works.

You're entitled to your opinion. We're also entitled to show that your opinion is BS and doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but don't let that stop you from titling at windmills.

 

[Wappa]

You're entitled to your opinion. We're also entitled to show that your opinion is BS and doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but don't let that stop you from titling at windmills.

Advertise a huge jackpot.
Sell fuckloads of tickets cross-country because of huge jackpot.
Do not award jackpot.
Lather, rinse, repeat.

I think all prizes should be awarded for each and every lottery.

Call my opinion bullshit if you like. I never challenged the validity of the math. Just said the whole deal seems off, especially when some grand prizes have multiple different winners while others have no winners. Feels off…however, I do realize that mathematically, this is entirely possible. But the mathletes (one in particular) got all excited and condescending, as if I was pissing on Pythagoreas’ grave (don’t know if he has a grave or not…RIP triangle dude).

Just because the math works, doesn’t mean it feels right. Or is right.

Why is wanting more winners wrong? It’s not like the OLG can’t afford to pay out what they promote.

#fuckthemath

 

[anonemouse]

Call my opinion bullshit if you like. I never challenged the validity of the math.

Just because the math works, doesn’t mean it feels right. Or is right.

#fuckthemath

I understand how you "feel" that it's off. I get that. I think people explained it to you to show that the feeling doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny. On the Internet some people are able to change their opinion when confronted with contradictory evidence, but not everyone is that enlightened.

 

[Wappa]

I understand how you "feel" that it's off. I get that. I think people explained it to you to show that the feeling doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny. On the Internet some people are able to change their opinion when confronted with contradictory evidence, but not everyone is that enlightened.

Hey guess what?
No 70 million lotto max winner last night

 

[anonemouse]

Hey guess what?
No 70 million lotto max winner last night

OK.

I don't think that changes anyone's fundamental understanding of the math behind the draw though.

 

[Wappa]

OK.

I don't think that changes anyone's fundamental understanding of the math behind the draw though.

Nor does it change what my thread was originally about.

That it seems crappy. I don’t recall so many grand prize carry overs say 10 yrs ago.

It was never about math.

And enlightenment lol.

 

[Wappa]

No lotto max winner again last night.

Next grand prize jackpot not increased. Still (only lol) 70M.

“Better luck next time…and the time after that, and the time after that, and the…”

And yes I realize that over time (the rest of recorded history, I guess) this apparent trend should even out.

But that’s 3-4 grand prize whiffs in the last week. (6/49 and Lottomaxprizesbutminwins)

Is 6/49 a fraction to represent the ratio of grand prize wins to draws? Have they been telling us all along? Lol