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Michael Moore exposes green energy as a fraud

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Biomass will become a giant problem whether the percentage is low now. Obviously it will increase with support for the "renewable" energy scam.
Its not increasing, it lost its popularity about a decade ago, much like Michael Moore.
Check the stats, wind and solar are going in all over the world but not biomass.
Its a red hering.
 

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Its not increasing, it lost its popularity about a decade ago, much like Michael Moore.
Check the stats, wind and solar are going in all over the world but not biomass.
Its a red hering.
Then did Canada miss the memo? Or do you just keep getting sucked in again?


Biomass is a renewable energy resource derived from living organisms and/or their byproducts. Biomass accounts for the largest share of renewable energy production in the OECD, at 35%. In Canada, that share is 23% – the second largest after hydro’s 68%.

In 2017 there were 36 operational co-generation units at pulp and paper mills and 41 Independent Power Providers (IPP) using biomass. Electrical capacity of pulp and paper co-generation was 3,427 MW, while heat capacity was 1,384 MW. IPP capacity for electricity and heat was 794 MW and 400 MW, respectively. There are also 364 bioheat projects, of which 70% are less than 1MW. Institutions, including schools and hospitals, are the strongest market for bioheat in Canada.




https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-and-data/data-and-analysis/energy-data-and-analysis/energy-facts/renewable-energy-facts/20069
 

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Michael Moore has said the following about the Cancel Culture's attempt to shut down the film:

"How quickly the values of an open society — freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the freedom to be wrong (or right), vanish when some people’s sacred cows — or should I say, sacred solar panels — are challenged."

https://planetofthehumans.com/2020/04/30/pen-condemns-censorship-michael-moore-backed-film/

Say what you like about Moore -- and I'm certainly not a member of his fan club -- but he is absolutely right on that point.

I would add one other thing. Those zealots who want to shut down the film for committing heresy are lying to everyone -- including themselves -- when they claim to be believers in "science."

There is nothing in the scientific method that allows for the Cancel Culture.
 

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Then did Canada miss the memo? Or do you just keep getting sucked in again?


Biomass is a renewable energy resource derived from living organisms and/or their byproducts. Biomass accounts for the largest share of renewable energy production in the OECD, at 35%. In Canada, that share is 23% – the second largest after hydro’s 68%.
They count wood burning for home heating.
Numbers are different for electric generation, which is what we've been talking about, unless your nursing home has a wood fired generator.
 

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I would add one other thing. Those zealots who want to shut down the film for committing heresy are lying to everyone -- including themselves -- when they claim to be believers in "science."

There is nothing in the scientific method that allows for the Cancel Culture.
Uh, moviefan, you don't understand it again.
The film has massive errors, fakes numbers and only looks at old tech.
Its the opposite of the scientific method.
Its propaganda.

According to the latest study, the proper thing to do is call it out as bullshit.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000768132030001X?via=ihub
 

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They count wood burning for home heating.
Numbers are different for electric generation, which is what we've been talking about, unless your nursing home has a wood fired generator.
You are being an idiot, there are industrial electricity generation plants using biomass.
 

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the same people that constantly complaining about deforestation, save boreal forests, save the amazon forests, etc and now supporting cutting down entire forests for biomass.
 

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They count wood burning for home heating.
Numbers are different for electric generation, which is what we've been talking about, unless your nursing home has a wood fired generator.
I'm not even sure what to say to that idiotic response other than you're a sucker.
 

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Well we know that you believe that money grows on trees but now you believe that trees themselves are in endless supply as well?

Good luck with that.
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I know you have problems with basic concepts, boob, but you do know what a renewable resource means, don't you?
By the way, no serious renewable energy plan is being designed around biomass, that's a Moore red herring.
Like most of his film, and your posts, its about a decades behind reality.
 

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I know you have problems with basic concepts, boob, but you do know what a renewable resource means, don't you?
By the way, no serious renewable energy plan is being designed around biomass, that's a Moore red herring.
Like most of his film, and your posts, its about a decades behind reality.
I showed you the stats and you brushed them off.

If you think a tree taking decades to mature is "renewable" me thinks you will be running out of trees before your next batch is ready.

Besides, by the time they mature, they are part of a forest ecosystem that is wiped out leaving wildlife in jeopardy. But then again, you haven't really thought this whole green energy thing through beyond how good the concept makes you feel right?
 

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I showed you the stats and you brushed them off.

If you think a tree taking decades to mature is "renewable" me thinks you will be running out of trees before your next batch is ready.

Besides, by the time they mature, they are part of a forest ecosystem that is wiped out leaving wildlife in jeopardy. But then again, you haven't really thought this whole green energy thing through beyond how good the concept makes you feel right?
You hit the nail on the head. A tree takes 10 to 20 years to mature before you can cut it down.
Thats way too much time, because you will always burn a lot more trees than you can regrow.
 

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You hit the nail on the head. A tree takes 10 to 20 years to mature before you can cut it down.
Thats way too much time, because you will always burn a lot more trees than you can regrow.
If you use 20 years, and you take one of the points in the movie, that all the trees in the US would provide enough electricity for 1 year. Then the max sustainable / renewable amount of electricity that trees can provide is 5% of US electricity generation.
 

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I showed you the stats and you brushed them off.

If you think a tree taking decades to mature is "renewable" me thinks you will be running out of trees before your next batch is ready.

Besides, by the time they mature, they are part of a forest ecosystem that is wiped out leaving wildlife in jeopardy. But then again, you haven't really thought this whole green energy thing through beyond how good the concept makes you feel right?
Are you talking to yourself again?

Nobody is trying to set up plans to burn forests for electricity, even pellet furnaces are out of fashion.
This would a straw man argument if wasn't so incredibly far fetched that only you phil (and maybe CM) would ever think it was happening.

As for those who heat their homes by firewood, it takes about 10 acres to supply a average to small house sustainably.

You guys have your knickers in knots over a fake news type story from Moore.
Suckers every time.
 

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His Fahrenheit films and capitalism film pushed too far as well.
Nobody on either side agrees with everything he says but this time he went way to far in getting the facts wrong.
He always played loose with the facts. What is considered "way too far" varies depending on your viewpoints. So many people on the left used to promote Moore's films as "exposing the truth". Now here is a film that some on the same left who have no issues saying it is riddled with falsehoods for the first time. I wonder why.
 

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He always played loose with the facts. What is considered "way too far" varies depending on your viewpoints. So many people on the left used to promote Moore's films as "exposing the truth". Now here is a film that some on the same left who have no issues saying it is riddled with falsehoods for the first time. I wonder why.
I don't think that's accurate, after Columbine his films were losing most of their power and effect.
Nobody I know talked about his capitalism or sicko films, they were already out of touch.
 

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