The 4th of July shooting will be the top headline news for a day or two and then we probably wont hear much about it. Mass shootings in the US are a daily occurrence and are pretty much expected. Both the NRA/GOP and the Democrats want to keep them in the news for far different reasons. The NRA party uses these shootings to sell more guns and uses some sort of insane logic that looser gun laws and more guns will somehow make people safer while the Democrats want gun laws at least as strict as most 3rd world countries. It seems like both parties use these in attempt to further their agendas but it always seems to be the GOP that comes out ahead. The United States has become more like El Salvador than a 1st world country and its only going to get worse now that the GOP has learned how to control the country.
Mass shootings in the US barely newsworthy
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Italy has plenty of guns, sharp shooter training is a badge of honour. Yet it's only used to kill terrorists. ISIS said they would conquer "the city of the cross"...good luck with that.
They love mass killings in the States, they are as American as apple pie.
They love mass killings in the States, they are as American as apple pie.
They are #19 on the list. The united states has twice as many guns per person as any other country in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
Maybe the need more guns to combat gun violence is a bunch of horse shit after all. But would the GOP really lie and deceive to appease one of their largest donors?
The thing is, with the filibuster in the senate, no matter how much the Democrats push for serious gun reform, the GOP can kill it before a vote takes place. It is significantly easier to obstruct legislation than pass it in the US senate. So, the Dems could have the most comprehensive law that isn't an over reach, but if the GOP's only goal is to thwart "Biden," they will vote against is. Just like all those who voted against the infrastructure bill despite the fact that their districts would likely benefit by the money. They only did it to slow things down...It's all political theatre and gamesmanship...
The shootings that don't live long in the press are the ones where the shooter doesn't match the profile necessary to perpetuate the ruse that mass shootings are the exclusive province of far-right fanatics/lunatics.
Does this "guy" look like a member of far-right to you? I'd say not.
Does this "guy" look like a member of far-right to you? I'd say not.
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What about him doesn't seem to be far right to you?
Personally, I doubt he has a coherent ideology. He seems young and fucked up and confused.
But he basically looks like a typical 4-chan guy to me, and they tend to be right-wing in their mindset (although a particular strain of it).
Far-right shooters generally adopt militia-type gear and grooming. Not too many Klan members or radical militia dress up as women. They wouldn't be welcome in those groups.
This guy, however, would fit right in at any ANTIFA rally.
The 4Chan types who have been publicly exposed (and there have only been a few of them) have looked more like the guys you see working at the Geek Squad at Best Buy, and a lot less like a cross between David Bowie and Billie Eilish.
I actually agree that this guy's real problem is probably not his politics but is, rather, his mental health. However, that's what I usually think, regardless of the political ideology of the shooter.
That's silly.
The militia military cos-play types are just one segment of the far right.
And dressing up as a woman to hide in a crowd and throw off people to escape is something those groups would be perfectly fine with.
It's tactics.
You don't think this wanna be rapper looks like a geek?
Let's see what he says about why he did it.
His focus may well have been generalized rage at the world.
It may well have been "there are a lot of Jews there".
We don't know right now.
Show me one example of a far-right militia shooter who dressed in drag to make a getaway. I'll wait.
No. I think he looks like Billie Eilish when he's not wearing a dress and a wig, and any number of androgenous glam rockers when he is.
But not too early for you to speculate about alt-right motives, despite appearances to the contrary, right?
Lastly, the 4Chan crowd are not shooters. They only play in the digital world.
p.s. Who do you think are more frequent participants in large organized "patriotism" events, like a 4th of July parade - Republicans or Democrats? You only get one guess, and the answer rhymes with "Bepublicans"!
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Alt-right motives are always good ones to speculate about during a mass shooting.
They are pretty common.
Personal vengeance is another really common one.
Misogyny is extremely common, but that can manifest in both political and non-political forms.
That's not true and I'm not sure why you would think it is. (Although maybe that is true about modern 4-chan, since the more extreme parts of chan culture went to other boards over time.)
They are "common" (if common means - more common than other motives) only if your sampling is limited to the narratives of CNN and the like.
The shooter apparently fired 70 rounds. It's fair to assume that he wasn't seeking "personal" vengeance against 70 people, and it's also fair to assume he didn't attempt to only target women at an event diversely attended by men, women and children.
Seems far more likely that he didn't like people who like to celebrate patriotism and freedom - you know - Republicans!
I feel like I'm talking to someone who has just come out of a 20 year coma, and is experiencing the world with fresh eyes and is still learning to interpret what they see. It doesn't take much insight to know that people who stir shit up online are rarely comfortable with or interested in real world confrontation. Witness various members of this forum! 4Channers are just the political opposite of keyboard warrier SJWs, just with more sophisticated online tactics and better computer skills.
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Pepe the frog is a pretty obvious symbol.
I mean....this is an example....lol
Why would you say that? Do you think Democrats are any less patriotic than people who vote for the GOP? I mean, they might be more patriotic since they seem to take the oath of office fairly seriously, support the peaceful transition of power, and haven't had any members attempt a coup...
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You've obviously never been to a big 4th of July parade or event. They are full of Republicans. Why? Because they're the ones who realize that without freedom they could not live they way they do! Most Democrats would be content to live in a Nanny State.
LOL. This is the same Republican party that is actively working to limit freedom for women's body autonomy? Banning books and forcing their religion on people?
No. Really.
Misogyny or vengeance are the two biggest motives.
Actual straight up right-wing political messaging is rarer than those, but not uncommon.
It's a good guess, sure.
But "she's in that crowd" is more than enough for some people.
Now, if we believe the police aren't lying (always a bad bet, but they don't always lie about all of the things at once), he planned this for some time.
So if he had a specific personal target, this is a bad way to do it.
If he had a grudge against the town in general... that's very possible.
If he was just a fame seeker, then this is just a big local event.
Republicans are pretty against patriotism and freedom, actually.
But they do like fake displays of the same, so that's a possibility.
He could very well be a right wing fanatic who hates that RINOs are pretending to be patriotic while Trump - the legitimate President - is being persecuted.
He could also be a false flag guy who dressed up as a woman to "prove" that drag queens are evil.
Or, since Democrats and liberals love parades and forth of july celebrations to, he might be totally targeting them.
Lake County is pretty damn Democratic, and has a significant hispanic population, so if you want to kill a bunch of godless liberals, shooting into a parade in Lake County is a good way to do it.
No.
You're talking with someone who is mocking your tendency to grab a narrative and hold onto it against all reason.
So you find it unlikely that any mass shooters were found to be active on the various chan boards?
You need to remember that Dutch really likes clinging to his beliefs long after reality has moved on.
