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Maher vs Bannon II

Butler1000

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I see, so if he loses that means people don't want it?
By joves, man, I think you've invented democracy.
Apparently JC needed to be reminded of this.
 

jcpro

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I disagree about support. He win will prove that.

That's the point. If he wins it means people want it.
If he wins the primaries, it's four more years of Trump, the DNC is right about that. Unless he pivots away, dramatically, from his platform. If he doesn't, in the general election he will get 25%-30% of the vote.
 

Butler1000

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If he wins the primaries, it's four more years of Trump, the DNC is right about that. Unless he pivots away, dramatically, from his platform. If he doesn't, in the general election he will get 25%-30% of the vote.
I disagree. I think he brings out new voters and steals back the Dems lost to Trump.

A corporate moderate/Neo Liberal/right of centre candidate ran against him last time. How did that work out again?
 

jcpro

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I disagree. I think he brings out new voters and steals back the Dems lost to Trump.

A corporate moderate/Neo Liberal/right of centre candidate ran against him last time. How did that work out again?
In the primaries, yes. But, the percentages in the primaries don't not translate well into the general election.
 

Butler1000

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In the primaries, yes. But, the percentages in the primaries don't not translate well into the general election.
It's his numbers with independents that count. And he has clearly broadened his minority appeal.
 

Insidious Von

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It's his numbers with independents that count. And he has clearly broadened his minority appeal.
Bernie's the best hope the Dems have of slowing down the AOC freight train. She has more followers on social media than any other candidate, including Trump. Her approval rating among those born after 1980 is above 80%. Sumka Mitch can fix this off course, the Dems could win 20% more of the popular vote and still lose the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrvr89Z6fEw
 

WyattEarp

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Bernie's the best hope the Dems have of slowing down the AOC freight train. She has more followers on social media than any other candidate, including Trump. Her approval rating among those born after 1980 is above 80%.
We've heard this theory of the youth vote since the 1960s. The thing is young voters become older voters. Look it up. It's true.

The twenty & thirtysomethings have generally been dealt a crappy hand. However, Demographics are the most powerful and most under discussed force in economics. As the massive amounts of baby boomers retire more and more, opportunities will open up.

I also think over time housing will become more affordable in many regions as the baby boomers downsize. I think Fed policy, tax policy and state/local government policy has been to prop up the housing prices, but I think prices are plateauing in some regions. This will be a long adjustment that seems inevitable..

The biggest trend that seems like it has green shoots is younger people moving to more affordable cities. In this day of everyone being wired together digitally, there is no reason for people to try to cram into a peninsula in Northern California or on islands in lower New York State.
 

WyattEarp

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First, that was a pretty good interview. I think Maher takes these topics and his guests seriously even if they don't agree. Sometimes Maher can be a bit dismissive of panel guests.

Butler1000, Bernie needs to dial down the identity politics. It won't play with blue collar voters in the Midwest. His reversal on illegal immigration also leaves a weak spot for Trump to exploit. M4A will sound great to many, but not M4ALL.

You're also forgetting suburban moms might like their insurance to stay the same. These women are the closest to the healthcare decisions in their families. These are the swing voters who don't care for Trump's demeanor and lifestyle, but might hold their nose and vote for Trump.
 

Butler1000

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First, that was a pretty good interview. I think Maher takes these topics and his guests seriously even if they don't agree. Sometimes Maher can be a bit dismissive of panel guests.

Butler1000, Bernie needs to dial down the identity politics. It won't play with blue collar voters in the Midwest. His reversal on illegal immigration also leaves a weak spot for Trump to exploit. M4A will sound great to many, but not M4ALL.

You're also forgetting suburban moms might like their insurance to stay the same. These women are the closest to the healthcare decisions in their families. These are the swing voters who don't care for Trump's demeanor and lifestyle, but might hold their nose and vote for Trump.
The problem isn't with the Sanders platform. It's with the suppression and lies told about it. But as he gains traction and the truth spreads his base continues to rise.

Those same housewives would love to to cut healthcare costs by half and not have to be denied coverages. Add in the security that a job loss doesn't mean loss of healthcare and it sells.

The "Bernie Bros" is a myth. His women support is steady, and growing.
 

Smallcock

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Bernie's the best hope the Dems have of slowing down the AOC freight train. She has more followers on social media than any other candidate, including Trump. Her approval rating among those born after 1980 is above 80%. Sumka Mitch can fix this off course, the Dems could win 20% more of the popular vote and still lose the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrvr89Z6fEw
AOC will never become president. A handful of debates and interviews will sink her because she’s clueless.
 

jcpro

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AOC will never become president. A handful of debates and interviews will sink her because she’s clueless.
I don't know about that. She has an extensive knowledge of economics and can even quote "Milton Keynes".
 

Butler1000

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AOC will never become president. A handful of debates and interviews will sink her because she’s clueless.
If Sanders wins her and Roe Kanna will rise in the ranks. Gain more power.

The question is what does it do to her. If she maintains her integrity she could become quite powerful.

She is already the #1 congressional fundraiser but more importantly isn't allowing the party to decide the money direction. She is is allocating it.

As always follow the money. She has the same donor base as Sanders. And it's huge and growing. She is also the heir apparent to it.
 

Insidious Von

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We've heard this theory of the youth vote since the 1960s. The thing is young voters become older voters. Look it up. It's true.The twenty & thirtysomethings have generally been dealt a crappy hand. However, Demographics are the most powerful and most under discussed force in economics. As the massive amounts of baby boomers retire more and more, opportunities will open up.
Don't be so ready to dismiss the youth vote, they made the difference in 1960, 1992 and 2008.
 

WyattEarp

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Don't be so ready to dismiss the youth vote, they made the difference in 1960, 1992 and 2008.
I think that's some bad history there. Obama won in 2008 by over 7% of the vote. 1992 was a complicated, three-way race that can't be concluded to mean anything for voting patterns. 1960 might have had one of the lowest portion of young voters because the small bloc of depression era children were coming of age. The much larger baby boom population was too young.

One year where youth voters really made a difference: 1972
 

kkelso

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Don't be so ready to dismiss the youth vote, they made the difference in 1960, 1992 and 2008.
In the words of James Carville, "there's a technical term we use for candidates who rely on bringing young voters into the process in order to win: Losers."

KK
 
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