Left doesn’t believe lab leak because ….

[ottawa_cuck]

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About That Wuhan Lab Leak

Yes, it’s a special Saturday edition of Shouting Into the Wind! What gives? Well, my good friend Dr. Phil Lefty took great umbrage with something I wrote in yesterday’s column, and I promised to respond with a full article here. In my piece about our new Ministry of Truth, I stated that the...

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[Valcazar]

While the article is not really worth reading overall, the argument that "Trump Derangement Syndrome" explains at least some of the resistance to the "lab leak" theory isn't really wrong.
The "Lab Leak" theory (which I'm using because it covers everything from the "laboratory escape" narrative to the "biological weapon" one) was pushed by Trump and his fans early and often.
When you have known liars and con men pushing something, you are inclined to distrust it - especially when they are pushing it for reasons that look like they are trying to get you to do something.

I do think that this early push has made it so some people won't ever look at laboratory escape honestly. Even worse, it has made it that all kinds of "evidence" on that side is tainted because people are invested in it as a political narrative now, and so misrepresent facts to imply things they can't prove. For a lot of people, it is more important to prove that "The Left" were lying or covering something up than it is to find out what happened. (After all, that's where the money is.) That isn't even getting into the people who want to use the "laboratory escape" hypothesis to actually sneak in the "biological attack" theory.

 

[ottawa_cuck]

Doesn’t it show how messed up people are to care more about which political party was right and which was wrong versus the search for truth? and the search for accountability? who is safeguarding these places that do experiments off the books? go protest in the streets that incompetent scientists have fucked the world for a decade. why are those chinese making the flu more dangerous?

While the article is not really worth reading overall, the argument that "Trump Derangement Syndrome" explains at least some of the resistance to the "lab leak" theory isn't really wrong.
The "Lab Leak" theory (which I'm using because it covers everything from the "laboratory escape" narrative to the "biological weapon" one) was pushed by Trump and his fans early and often.
When you have known liars and con men pushing something, you are inclined to distrust it - especially when they are pushing it for reasons that look like they are trying to get you to do something.

I do think that this early push has made it so some people won't ever look at laboratory escape honestly. Even worse, it has made it that all kinds of "evidence" on that side is tainted because people are invested in it as a political narrative now, and so misrepresent facts to imply things they can't prove. For a lot of people, it is more important to prove that "The Left" were lying or covering something up than it is to find out what happened. (After all, that's where the money is.) That isn't even getting into the people who want to use the "laboratory escape" hypothesis to actually sneak in the "biological attack" theory.

 

[Valcazar]

Doesn’t it show how messed up people are to care more about which political party was right and which was wrong versus the search for truth?

It does.
Dragging lots of things into pure partisanship is a huge problem.
If the GOP could be shaken of the habit, the USA would be a better place, but it is electorally effective in the US system and so I don't see it going anywhere.

 

[basketcase]

The answer is people don't believe the leak idea because there isn't evidence to support it other than the coincidence of a lab being located not too far away.

Repeated studies show that the initial outbreak was in the area of the market and no connection to the lab.

 

[ottawa_cuck]

repeated studies repeated lies

how can you see if you close your eyes?

The answer is people don't believe the leak idea because there isn't evidence to support it other than the coincidence of a lab being located not too far away.

Repeated studies show that the initial outbreak was in the area of the market and no connection to the lab.

 

[Valcazar]

The answer is people don't believe the leak idea because there isn't evidence to support it other than the coincidence of a lab being located not too far away.

Repeated studies show that the initial outbreak was in the area of the market and no connection to the lab.

The evidence is about where it has been since the beginning.
~90-95% likely it was a spillover followed by a first big spreading event at the market // ~5-10% it was a spillover at the lab from a sample and then escape // ~1-2% it was a spillover at the lab after repeated passes of cultivation.

Nothing has really moved that needle from what has come out.

At this point, I doubt anything will other than lab records showing it was in the WIV, since the lack of those records will always be dismissed as "proof of the cover up" by the diehard leakers.

 

[ottawa_cuck]

usually there’s a link between a lack of records and a successful cover up

At this point, I doubt anything will other than lab records showing it was in the WIV, since the lack of those records will always be dismissed as "proof of the cover up" by the diehard leakers.

 

[Valcazar]

usually there’s a link between a lack of records and a successful cover up

Usually there's a link between a lack of records and something not happening, too.
That's the problem, isn't it?

 

[Czar]

I didn't read the article and am willing to believe either theory. But, you have to admit, it is quite the coincidence to have that lab studying covid so close. And when the Chinese restrict access to investigations, one just gets ten times more suspicious. If they were innocent, you think they would be bending over backwards to easily prove it.

 

[basketcase]

repeated studies repeated lies

how can you see if you close your eyes?

By reading the studies.

Either that I could nonsensically believe in conspiracy theories based on nothing but thin air.

 

[basketcase]

I didn't read the article and am willing to believe either theory. But, you have to admit, it is quite the coincidence to have that lab studying covid so close. And when the Chinese restrict access to investigations, one just gets ten times more suspicious. If they were innocent, you think they would be bending over backwards to easily prove it.

You can try reading the papers then. Might help make up your mind if you actually want that. All three I referred to are linked in this Nature article

Wuhan market was epicentre of pandemic’s start, studies suggest

Report authors say that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 jumped to people from animals sold at the market on two occasions in late 2019 — but some scientists want more definitive evidence.

www.nature.com

And no amount of evidence will convince those who have faith that it was from the lab. Even if there was an independent audit of the lab the day after the first case, the conspiracy nuts will still claim there was a cover-up.

 

[K Douglas]

I'm conservative and I'm having some doubts about the Wuhan lab leak theory. Although I believe its a lot more plausible than a wet market origin.

 

[Czar]

You can try reading the papers then. Might help make up your mind if you actually want that. All three I referred to are linked in this Nature article

Wuhan market was epicentre of pandemic’s start, studies suggest

Report authors say that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 jumped to people from animals sold at the market on two occasions in late 2019 — but some scientists want more definitive evidence.

www.nature.com

Not interested. I have read enough. No definitive proof and China stonewalls any investigation. Gosh, maybe I should trust them. Sure woud be nice if there was an independent audit with a helpful government willing to assist in any way. I am not into conspiracy theories, but this is a damn good way for them to gain some credibility. And it is too late for the Chinese government to gain any credibility.

 

[ottawa_cuck]

Have you ever heard of making up your own mind based on the facts?

No animal has been found carrying the covid that went to humans.

Top Epidemiologists initially said furin cleavage sites didnt appear natural. Then Fauci has a talk with this guy and he shut up. The emails have been put in your face multiple times.

Scientists asked US gov in documents for money to do gain of function in Wuhan, got denied, two years later poof outbreak!

Evidence has been scrubbed clean by China & they won’t allow inspectors.

Based these facts, & not on a fucking conspiracy, a leak makes sense. Just because Trump said leak doesn’t mean you have to scratch it off your possibilities. Even The FBI says leak is more likely.

Is Basketcase smarter than the FBI?

By reading the studies.

Either that I could nonsensically believe in conspiracy theories based on nothing but thin air.

 

[ottawa_cuck]

Nature magazine was one of the first to release a report by Zhou and Zang saying it was an animal leak! Boy they came out quick in defense of China.

When you see this type of response with no proof, why aren’t you suspicious?

The US media at the time didnn’t give a fuck about anything at the time except removing Trump.

Trump said it was a leak,

China said omg thats racist (deflection)
Media said omg thats racist (remove trump)
Scientists say omg thats racist (keep funding)

China said it was a wet market
Media said it was a wet market.
Scientists say it was a wet market

No proof given to the world of this. None.

How does your brain accept such stupid denials? The explanation they give is ridiculous. How does this sit well with you?

this Nature article

Wuhan market was epicentre of pandemic’s start, studies suggest

Report authors say that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 jumped to people from animals sold at the market on two occasions in late 2019 — but some scientists want more definitive evidence.

www.nature.com

And no amount of evidence will convince those who have faith that it was from the lab.

 

[Kracker]

Yeah… I dunno. Nature is one of the premier journals of course, but the studies aren’t peer-reviewed, the Chinese won’t release any analysis of the lab samples, and most curiously none of the animals tested from the market had COVID.

I mean if COVID came from animals, you’d think we could find animals with COVID.

 

[ottawa_cuck]

Since you love nature magazine so much, look at this. The people who are responsible for the leak crying about having their funding removed by Donald Trump for political reasons.

Dr Fankenstein playing the victim. You buying it?

Coronavirus researcher shut down for Wuhan-lab links vents frustrations

Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, says he has been caught in political crosshairs over his partnership with a virology lab in China.

www.nature.com

“Daszak calls the demands from the NIH “heinous”, and worries that the funding freeze is delaying vital work to identify and prevent the next pandemic”

i cant make this shit up.

OJ also promised to help Nicole’s family find the killer (s)

 

[mandrill]

I'm conservative and I'm having some doubts about the Wuhan lab leak theory. Although I believe its a lot more plausible than a wet market origin.

You also believe that illegal immigrants can go vote when they've snuck into the USA, kirk. You believe absolutely anything that Fox News tells you.

 

[james t kirk]

The answer is people don't believe the leak idea because there isn't evidence to support it other than the coincidence of a lab being located not too far away.

Repeated studies show that the initial outbreak was in the area of the market and no connection to the lab.

And the (supposed) bats came from an area of China over 1000 kilometres away. (Fact.)

How come no COVID there?

How come no COVID between the origin the of bats and Wuhan?

And it's just a coincidence that a level 4 biolab (the highest order of bio lab), the Wuhan Institute of Virology exists in Wuhan, the epicentre of the global pandemic?

So you believe in coincidences.

I don't believe in coincidences.

The only questions I have are:

Was this virus released by accident or on purpose?

What is the connection to the two Chinese spies who were working in Canada's level 4 biolab in Winnipeg? What does the federal government of Canada have to say about this?

I am sure that the various western intelligence agencies know a lot more than they are saying. If it was revealed that the Chinese deliberately released this virus on the world, the people would flip out and demand retribution. That's too much to fathom.