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Valcazar

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I think Biden is weak and Trump is an idiot but if I was an American I'd vote for Biden. 4 more years of Trump and the delusional Republicans will destroy what's left of the USA.
That's an entirely reasonable position to take - voting for a flawed candidate because the alternative is worse in your judgment.
 

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I think I need to qualify things. You are correct Biden isn't afraid. It's still my belief he is in cognative decline

However his campaign staff is afraid.
And yet his campaign staff sent a formal letter agreeing to the debates. It is cool that you can read their minds, though.

60%? He will show up. As usual Trump is just blathering on hoping to gain something out of it when there is nothing to be gained. It's a bluff.
I'm sliding over to it being more likely as well. As I mentioned, debates are usually in the interest of the person losing. Trump team suddenly talking about having more debates is a sign they know they are in bad shape and as you say, Trump will be hard pressed to look worse. (This is why the losing side always demands debates. You can't lose much more, but you may get lucky and have the other person implode or you may be able to craft a winning line that gives you so momentum.)

So I think we agree - Trump wanted to avoid debates when he thought he was winning and now that he is losing he is pushing for them. But it still remains that he hasn't agreed to any and his team is trying to change the rules. I don't want to pull your mind reading trick, but that certainly argues for his team being worried about causing themselves more damage.

In the end they will be a shitshow. Two old men sniping with no gain. Just two losses. And talking points and partisan showmanship. And that includes the press and moderators who are biased. Once they gave it to them to run they have gotten worse.
On this we agree. Like I said, I am fine with them not happening at all because the modern debates are a trash fire. Handing it over to the press has been a disaster, because the press is gunning for ratings friendly moments usually. Someone needs to fund the League of Women voters again - or some other group not beholden to the two parties. With modern streaming they can host a perfectly fine debate as an end run around the press. The problem there is that at some point it will just be a bunch of independent groups demanding to host debates and then who is considered "credible" will become its own fight. These days I just don't see much value in the dance at all. I'd rather serious minded townhalls, but debates aren't worth it in the modern era.
 
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Joe will definitely beat Donald Reagan in December for the Senate after 120 million have died from Covid.
 
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james t kirk

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Have you ever actually listened to Trump?
He's a fucking incoherent moron.
Absolutely

And he's an a abject disgrace.

But he's a master at trolling and he's going to destroy Biden in any debate. When Trump is done with Biden, Biden will be a puddle of goo.
 

Frankfooter

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Absolutely

And he's an a abject disgrace.

But he's a master at trolling and he's going to destroy Biden in any debate. When Trump is done with Biden, Biden will be a puddle of goo.
Nah, that's a myth from his base. He didn't do that well against Clinton. 'Who's a puppet? You're a puppet'. Remember him creeping her?
Clinton's numbers went up after those debates.
And now Trump is even more senile, can't complete a sentence and has no clue what's going on.

 

james t kirk

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Nah, that's a myth from his base. He didn't do that well against Clinton. 'Who's a puppet? You're a puppet'. Remember him creeping her?
Clinton's numbers went up after those debates.
And now Trump is even more senile, can't complete a sentence and has no clue what's going on.

Clinton's numbers went up eh.

Then how come she lost the damn election?

"Lock her up"
"Crooked Hillary"
"Emails"
 
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Frankfooter

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Clinton's numbers went up eh.

Then how come she lost the damn election?

"Lock her up"
"Crooked Hillary"
"Emails"
Those were Trump's rally cries, not what came out of the debates.
Trump won because of the electoral college, gerrymandering that keeps the GOP in the senate, voter disenfranchisement, Comey's severe fuckup and of course, the hacking and electoral interference from Putin/Assange/Stone that gave you 'crooked Hillary' and 'Emails' which lead to 'lock her up'.

Even so, she won the popular vote and 70,000 votes difference would have had her win.
 
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It was just Joe's premonition, looking forward a few years....
 

james t kirk

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Those were Trump's rally cries, not what came out of the debates.
Trump won because of the electoral college, gerrymandering that keeps the GOP in the senate, voter disenfranchisement, Comey's severe fuckup and of course, the hacking and electoral interference from Putin/Assange/Stone that gave you 'crooked Hillary' and 'Emails' which lead to 'lock her up'.

Even so, she won the popular vote and 70,000 votes difference would have had her win.
So she lost.....

Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one. Bottom line, Trump won.

After ever poll said she was going to win.

Listen, I think Trump is human piece of shit, but the Democrats nominated the wrong person in Hillary and they've just repeated the process by nominating Uncle Joe. Joe has covid to thank because right now, it's allowed him to keep a low profile, but once the media gets bored of George Floyd and Covid (and make no mistake, they will get bored), it will be all focus on the election campaign and I have no doubt that Joe's creeping dementia will come front and center. I also have no doubt that Trump will try to scare the shit out of people by highlighting the crazy wing of the Democratic party and will say, "is this what you want?"
 

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So she lost.....

Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one. Bottom line, Trump won.

After ever poll said she was going to win.

Listen, I think Trump is human piece of shit, but the Democrats nominated the wrong person in Hillary and they've just repeated the process by nominating Uncle Joe. Joe has covid to thank because right now, it's allowed him to keep a low profile, but once the media gets bored of George Floyd and Covid (and make no mistake, they will get bored), it will be all focus on the election campaign and I have no doubt that Joe's creeping dementia will come front and center. I also have no doubt that Trump will try to scare the shit out of people by highlighting the crazy wing of the Democratic party and will say, "is this what you want?"
The polls were within the margin of error, but they didn't call the electoral college line.

Trump is a piece of shit but I think you underestimate the antipathy to him through these big trifecta of failure.
Covid
Race riots
Coming depression.

Right now the dems are trolling the GOP. They own the house and pass all kinds of bills that people would actually want and watch Moscow Mitch kill them. Then they campaign on all the policies that Trump stopped.
That's really smart politicking, if they need it.
As it is Trump is imploding daily.

 

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Style and substance. Trump will win style, Biden substance. I must admit you do hold your breath when Biden debates but he got the better of Bernie their last debate. But he did not look good in those 10 person debates. Biden has extended his polling lead by being judicious and delivering speeches and avoiding the spontaneous. Trump looks like he's a hostage when he's reading a speech, but he has a much more natural demeanour on the spontaneous, but is not shy about piling on the bullshit. That will make him very difficult to debate, so Biden will have his hands full. I give the edge to Trump. Biden needs to do the Sarah Palin- make his points regardless of the specific question asked and stick close to the talking points lol. Trump will go in blazing, as if he's still this far back he'll pull out all stops and we know he's not afraid to gamble.
 
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