Toronto Escorts

Jagmeet Singh Claims ‘Major Win’ After Liberals Increase Proposed New Benefits To Match CERB

omegaphallic

Well-known member
Mar 26, 2010
3,003
42
48

Valcazar

Just a bundle of fucking sunshine
Mar 27, 2014
27,495
48,731
113
I think getting the matching benefits and the sick leave (assuming they actually show up in the bill) is a solidly good thing and good on Singh for pushing for it.

That said, I worry about the gap in coverage from CERB wrapping up now and the bill only being proposed Monday. If there are shenanigans with the bill things are going to get ugly as people fall through the cracks.
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
16,158
2,151
113
I think getting the matching benefits and the sick leave (assuming they actually show up in the bill) is a solidly good thing and good on Singh for pushing for it.

That said, I worry about the gap in coverage from CERB wrapping up now and the bill only being proposed Monday. If there are shenanigans with the bill things are going to get ugly as people fall through the cracks.

That was a bone the liberals purposely left out.
They tossed Singh this bone so he could claim some credit and not look 100% complicit in supporting a corrupt and extremely irresponsible Prime Minister
The bill always comes due and the bill for Trudeau will be as ugly as ugly gets


Canadians are paying down debt during COVID-19 — but a 'tsunami' of bankruptcies could be coming
  • Canadian households owed $1.58 for every dollar they had to spend as of the end of June. That ratio peaked at 177 per cent in 2017 and has held steady in the 170 range up until the sudden drop this year.
    [*]Prior to the pandemic's start in March, consumer insolvencies had been growing at a double-digit pace since the start of 2019 as the system worked through a decade of debt
    [*]In addition to government stimulus, roughly one out of every six Canadian homeowners with a mortgage applied for programs that banks offered to defer all or part of payments for up to six months this spring. But those programs are slated to end in the coming weeks, and those bills have to be paid.
    [*]All told, Canadians owed $2.3 trillion at the end of June, which consists of $1.5 trillion worth of mortgages, and $779.4 billion worth of consumer debt such as credit cards.
    [*]"The Statscan numbers show the debt picture is uneven across different income groups. The lowest 20 per cent had a debt to income ratio of 281.7 per cent at the end of 2019, meaning they owed almost $3 for every dollar they had on hand to spend. Those in the top 20 per cent, meanwhile, owed just $1.38 for every dollar of disposable income they had.
    [*]Those imbalances are part of why Terrio predicts that insolvencies are going to come back "with a vengeance " in the coming months.
    [*]"Delinquencies and consumer insolvencies will likely begin to rise at the end of this year and into 2021."
Central bank says number of people falling behind on mortgages could almost quadruple
  • By its calculations, the bank says about one out of every five home-owning households in Canada doesn't currently have enough money to cover two months' worth of expenses, and almost one third don't have enough to cover four months' worth.
    [*]Even despite the financial support programs, such as wage subsidies, implemented by the federal government, "some households are likely to fall behind on their loan payments," the bank said. "This typically appears first in missed credit card and auto loan payments and later in mortgage payments."
Over 1 miillion Canadians who lost their jobs due to the pandemic have not returned to work and Canada unemployment rate is the highest in the G7
What was needed was a clear plan to remove government red tape and impediments to getting people back to work

Instead we had a Prime Minister who prorogued parliament specifically to shut down the WE investigation and then delivered a a vague Throne speech, with no clear plan
And Jagmeet Singh dived on the bone tossed to him, ensuring the moron remains Prime Minister
Good on him ? Maybe the best thing for Jagmeet , but not for the country
 

Valcazar

Just a bundle of fucking sunshine
Mar 27, 2014
27,495
48,731
113
Over 1 miillion Canadians who lost their jobs due to the pandemic have not returned to work and Canada unemployment rate is the highest in the G7
What was needed was a clear plan to remove government red tape and impediments to getting people back to work
If you are arguing for a jobs guarantee approach here in Canada, I agree.
If you are arguing that employers need to be able to exploit and force employees to work in risky conditions we disagree.

Instead we had a Prime Minister who prorogued parliament specifically to shut down the WE investigation and then delivered a a vague Throne speech, with no clear plan
And Jagmeet Singh dived on the bone tossed to him, ensuring the moron remains Prime Minister
Good on him ? Maybe the best thing for Jagmeet , but not for the country
The fact the Liberals won't throw Trudeau out and replace him is a sad comment on their lack of moral seriousness.
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
16,158
2,151
113
If you are arguing for a jobs guarantee approach here in Canada, I agree.
If you are arguing that employers need to be able to exploit and force employees to work in risky conditions we disagree.
There can not be a job guarantee , unless you can somehow figure out how to guarantee all business will remain
1. Solvent
2. profitable
3. Profitable with a guaranteed return for the business owner, other wise no sense for him / her taking on the risk of operating a business

nobody is demanding employees work in risky conditions


What is required is this government remove the barriers (red tape/ Gerald Butts) which are preventing job creation
1. Build some damn pipelines
2. Scrape the job killing carbon tax
3. Focus on job creation, not "gender based or inclusive" quotas - the market can determine who is best qualified for a position


The fact the Liberals won't throw Trudeau out and replace him is a sad comment on their lack of moral seriousness.
the fact Singh supports Trudeau is a sad comment on Singh's lack of moral seriousness
Singh had his chance to remove a corrupt and clearly incompetent Prime Minister and Singh sold that opportunity to claim some political credit
 

Valcazar

Just a bundle of fucking sunshine
Mar 27, 2014
27,495
48,731
113
There can not be a job guarantee , unless you can somehow figure out how to guarantee all business will remain
1. Solvent
2. profitable
3. Profitable with a guaranteed return for the business owner, other wise no sense for him / her taking on the risk of operating a business
A jobs guarantee isn't about forcing employers to hire people.

nobody is demanding employees work in risky conditions
People demanding CERB ends so people will be forced to go back to work are arguing exactly that.

What is required is this government remove the barriers (red tape/ Gerald Butts) which are preventing job creation
1. Build some damn pipelines
2. Scrape the job killing carbon tax
3. Focus on job creation, not "gender based or inclusive" quotas - the market can determine who is best qualified for a position
1. This is not the only way to get more jobs. But, "invest in energy and infrastructure programs at a governmental level" is the kind of thing that would be part of a jobs guarantee and I agree we should be doing it.
2. The carbon tax can be re-thought, as can any tax, but one role of taxes is to incentivize behavior.
3. Those things are not remotely in conflict. If you focus on job creation (what that means needs to be examined of course) then there will be more jobs available and you won't to worry nearly as much about not satisfying any requirements.

the fact Singh supports Trudeau is a sad comment on Singh's lack of moral seriousness
Singh had his chance to remove a corrupt and clearly incompetent Prime Minister and Singh sold that opportunity to claim some political credit
Singh made a choice you disagree with.
The fact the Liberals are in good shape to win a new election means tanking things now would not have gotten him any benefit at all.
(Possibly. I don't think anyone can say with certainty who would come out of an election forced by a no confidence vote right now.)
 

saxon

Well-known member
Dec 2, 2009
4,748
508
113
But Trudeau has promised to create a million new jobs if we just let him lead the way.
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
16,158
2,151
113
A jobs guarantee isn't about forcing employers to hire people.
No it is about guarantying people their jobs and again that is not possible unless you can somehow figure out how to guarantee all business will remain
1. Solvent
2. profitable
3. Profitable with a guaranteed return for the business owner, other wise no sense for him / her taking on the risk of operating a business

People demanding CERB ends so people will be forced to go back to work are arguing exactly that.
The CERB can not continue indefinitely.
Employers have incurred huge expenses to ensure employees are safe.
The very last thing any employer wants is an outbreak in their operations.
If you do not feel safe, let your employer know and they will do what they can to address the risk

Some will never be satisfied and well perhaps they should stop working and figure out how to fiancé their life without an income
The cold hard fact is the CERB will run out long before a vaccine is available


1. This is not the only way to get more jobs. But, "invest in energy and infrastructure programs at a governmental level" is the kind of thing that would be part of a jobs guarantee and I agree we should be doing it.
The government has intervened in the energy sector far too many times and each time it was a disaster.
Infrastructure? That was a promise from Justin in 2015
to his credit (shame) he did break the law and smoothed the way for SNC to gather massive government infrastructure contracts .
The big problem is Justin spent all the money already

2. The carbon tax can be re-thought, as can any tax, but one role of taxes is to incentivize behavior.

Justin Trudeau and his group of clowns have not been very good stewards of their own behavior (How many scandal's? I lost count).
Justin Trudeau / Gerald Buts are not qualified to dictate what other peoples behavior should be
You are missing a key fact here. Justin works for the People of Canada. He does not rule the people of Canada


3 Those things are not remotely in conflict. If you focus on job creation (what that means needs to be examined of course) then there will be more jobs available and you won't to worry nearly as much about not satisfying any requirements.
Bullshit
Job creation means hiring the best person for the position.
Any regulation slows that process down and often does not result in the best person being hired
Striving for equality of
opportunity is a rational approach as there should not be any barriers based upon gender or race. That is a given
Equality of outcome is burecratic boondoggle
that will statistically result in the best qualified candidate not obtaining the position
80-90% of engineers are men, if you need to hire a woman engineer t o fill a quota, then you are drawing from a much shallower candidate pool. That is simply a fact
There are a lot of very talented lady engineers so you may get lucky, however 1 in 4


Singh made a choice you disagree with.
The fact the Liberals are in good shape to win a new election means tanking things now would not have gotten him any benefit at all.
(Possibly. I don't think anyone can say with certainty who would come out of an election forced by a no confidence vote right now.)

would not have gotten him any benefit at all
Key word "him"

Again you lose sight of his responsibility which is to act in the best interest of Canadians, not in the best Interest of Justin Trudeau

Justin Trudeau progued parliament in order to shut down the investigation of his their ethic sandal
He precipitated a vote of confidence in him by taking that action

And all Justin Trudeau is capable of is spending other peoples money and trying to control others behavior and now his moving on to spending your grand kids future

It should be for the people of Canada to decide if they have confidence in a moron to navigate us through this pandemic nightmare.
Jagmeet Signh sold their right to that decision
 
Last edited:

Valcazar

Just a bundle of fucking sunshine
Mar 27, 2014
27,495
48,731
113
No it is about guarantying people their jobs and again that is not possible unless you can somehow figure out how to guarantee all business will remain
1. Solvent
2. profitable
3. Profitable with a guaranteed return for the business owner, other wise no sense for him / her taking on the risk of operating a business
Ahh. Stubborn ignorance. OK.

Employers have incurred huge expenses to ensure employees are safe.
The very last thing any employer wants is an outbreak in their operations.
If you do not feel safe, let your employer know and they will do what they can to address the risk
Wouldn't that be nice?
Too bad it isn't true.

Infrastructure? That was a promise from Justin in 2015
to his credit (shame) he did break the law and smoothed the way for SNC to gather massive government infrastructure contracts .
The big problem is Justin spent all the money already
Not going to argue that Trudeau has been a fuck up on infrastructure.
He totally has.

You are missing a key fact here. Justin works for the People of Canada. He does not rule the people of Canada.
I agree.
Irrelevant to the conversation at hand, though.

Bullshit
Job creation means hiring the best person for the position.
Any regulation slows that process down and often does not result in the best person being hired
Striving for equality of
opportunity is a rational approach as there should not be any barriers based upon gender or race. That is a given
Equality of outcome is burecratic boondoggle
that will statistically result in the best qualified candidate not obtaining the position
80-90% of engineers are men, if you need to hire a woman engineer t o fill a quota, then you are drawing from a much shallower candidate pool. That is simply a fact
There are a lot of very talented lady engineers so you may get lucky, however 1 in 4
Wow. You're really invested in sexism, aren't you?

Justin Trudeau progued parliament in order to shut down the investigation of his their ethic sandal
He precipitated a vote of confidence in him by taking that action
Unfortunately, we don't work by that system. We have representatives.
It would be interesting to put votes of no confidence to a general referendum, but it isn't the system we have.
I would support that, though. The votes that are mandatory no confidence votes could be general plebiscites.
I think that could work in a modern context.
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
16,158
2,151
113
Ahh. Stubborn ignorance. OK.
Ahh, ignorance of basic business fundamentals. and human nature Ok

Nobody risks their capital if they can not make a return on it
You want a job guarantee, then the business own needs a guaranteed return on his / her capital


Wouldn't that be nice?
Too bad it isn't true.
Prove that


Not going to argue that Trudeau has been a fuck up on infrastructure.
He totally has.
Well you finally got something right

I agree.
Irrelevant to the conversation at hand, though.
Sure it is
the carbon tax can be re-thought, as can any tax, but one role of taxes is to incentivize behavior.
the role of taxation is to provide government with funds for basic services
Once you start using it to incentivize behavior you go off the rails as yo are giving fools like Justin Trudeau the call on what is acceptable or unacceptable behavior

Wow. You're really invested in sexism, aren't you?
Take your virtual signaling elsewhere
a similar argument could be made for race based quotas, or age based quotas or any other proposed inequality quota
Equality of opportunity is an achievable goal
Equality of outcome is not


Unfortunately, we don't work by that system. We have representatives.
It would be interesting to put votes of no confidence to a general referendum, but it isn't the system we have.
I would support that, though. The votes that are mandatory no confidence votes could be general plebiscites.
I think that could work in a modern context.
Representative who have the responsibility to make decisions based upon the best interest of all Canadians.
Jagmeet made a political decision which was driven by his political agenda and his parties lack of funding
A decision which will cost all Canadians dearly
 
  • Like
Reactions: Boober69 and jcpro

smallhatchet

Well-known member
Feb 10, 2020
2,071
221
63
Jagmeet had to team up with Trudummy.

The NDP dont have the money to run in another election. Period!

It has nothing to do with Trudummy doing the right thing for anyone. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-ndp-2019-election-1.5436668


NDP says it's in a better position because it has almost paid down its 2019 campaign debt
The party's national director, Anne McGrath, dismissed critics who've assumed the NDP won't bring down the Liberal minority government because New Democrats couldn't afford a costly election.


If the NDP owe money, where would they get the money to run in a snap election?????
 
  • Like
Reactions: Boober69

Boober69

Well-known member
Feb 23, 2012
6,722
263
83
Jagmeet had to team up with Trudummy.

The NDP dont have the money to run in another election. Period!

It has nothing to do with Trudummy doing the right thing for anyone. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-ndp-2019-election-1.5436668


NDP says it's in a better position because it has almost paid down its 2019 campaign debt
The party's national director, Anne McGrath, dismissed critics who've assumed the NDP won't bring down the Liberal minority government because New Democrats couldn't afford a costly election.


If the NDP owe money, where would they get the money to run in a snap election?????

The NDP will blow anyone who pays them attention. They have become irrelevant seeing how much the Liberals have drifed to the left.
So people who want to hand over all of their income to the government in taxes vote NDP; those that want to hand over most of it, vote Liberal.
Both believe in "free" stuff.
 
  • Like
Reactions: smallhatchet
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts