Is it petty to do this?

[Insidious Von]

Al Franken was taken down by a planned sting and the Dems fell for it.

And big cool cats don't like man pussies they prefer the real thing. Amazing how fast a 600lbs tiger can move, he knows she's a human female and is toying with her.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

So...to return to the original question posed in this thread- It would appear that not letting the Trump Supporter in the pick up truck merge is not only a petty move but in fact is probably illegal and could also contribute the the outbreak of civil war.

I dunno. It just doesn’t make sense to me, though: How can something that feels so good be so wrong on so many levels?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Lol. Elect enough congresspeople and the money dries up to the military. And i certsinly dont want capitalism to breakdown. Its going to finance my early retirement

I still cannot believe you actually said this. You are SUCH a bourgeois phony socialist...

 

[Insidious Von]

Hard right mouthpieces bore me to tears.

So here's another big cool cat telling his audience to bend the knee. I hope you have good speakers, this is remarkable!

 

[Frankfooter]

Well yes. When you have corrupt, spineless individuals in office you can do that. You don't think the Dems have them as well? Primary out a few more top ones and suddenly they will think about their futures.

Unfortunately it has reached this point. The nation is really heading for a nasty 2021 no matter the outcome.

As you have desired.

 

[Butler1000]

I still cannot believe you actually said this. You are SUCH a bourgeois phony socialist...

I never said i was a socialist. I've said the USA needs a universal hèalthcare system and some labour laws changes. And to stop the wars.

I dont own health insurance stock, or arms maker stock.

 

[Valcazar]

Thats what they said about FDR........look what he did. Place enough pressure on incumbents by the threat of being primaried out and it works.

Who was threatening to primary FDR?

 

[Butler1000]

Who was threatening to primary FDR?

I was talking about installing socialist policy. FDR did it despite the opposition. Despite people in his i6wn party being against it.

He did it because his popularity was so strong they couldn't stop him for fear of losing elections. Of his bully pulpit.

 

[Valcazar]

I still cannot believe you actually said this. You are SUCH a bourgeois phony socialist...

To be fair, Butler1000 doesn't really claim to be a socialist. He is a populist. He employs the socialist rhetoric when it is useful to attack "the corrupt elite". If other rhetoric serves, he will use that.
His actual ideology is fairly moderate/centrist from the examples he's given. "Bourgeois" is probably a good enough description.

 

[glamphotographer]

It may possibly be illegal.....

But more to the point when someone purposely does this due to politics its a breakdown in the social order. And encourahing it invites retaliation.

Right, kind of like Trumptards trying to block people in Virginia from voting.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I never said i was a socialist. I've said the USA needs a universal hèalthcare system and some labour laws changes. And to stop the wars.

I dont own health insurance stock, or arms maker stock.

This is exactly the kind of weaseliness that causes you and the rest of the Bernie Bros to be perpetual losers. You have been provoking dissension in our social discourse ever since your guy lost to Hillary...because you want to bring on a societal collapse because “sometimes things have to get worse before they get better”...remember?

So okay...Your dream is becoming a reality and now you are running away from it. You lack the Mamba Killer Instinct that guys like Kobe had- ie. the ability to step on your opponent’s throat and close him out.

A real man in your position would be cheerleading Trump every step of the way to a fascist takeover of the United States because that would be really, really bad which would, by your logic, enable something really, really, really good to emerge (assuming that we are not all killed in the process).

So climb out from underneath your bed and get busy doing your part to enable Trump’s destruction of American democracy and stop whining about your stock portfolio.

 

[Butler1000]

Right, kind of like Trumptards trying to block people in Virginia from voting.

Yup I agree.

 

[Butler1000]

This is exactly the kind of weaseliness that causes you and the rest of the Bernie Bros to be perpetual losers. You have been provoking dissension in our social discourse ever since your guy lost to Hillary...because you want to bring on a societal collapse because “sometimes things have to get worse before they get better”...remember?

So okay...Your dream is becoming a reality and now you are running away from it. You lack the Mamba Killer Instinct that guys like Kobe had- ie. the ability to step on your opponent’s throat and close him out.

A real man in your position would be cheerleading Trump every step of the way to a fascist takeover of the United States because that would be really, really bad which would, by your logic, enable something really, really, really good to emerge (assuming that we are not all killed in the process).

So climb out from underneath your bed and get busy doing your part to enable Trump’s destruction of American democracy and stop whining about your stock portfolio.

Lol.

I'm a spectator now. My guy is out and its between the two cognatively challenged ones. Neither of which will be good for the nation or the world. So I will enjoy the show and sniping from the sidelines.

I thought different opinions were allowed in a Democracy.....oh wait that only counts if you like them. Unfortunately for you the populace is waking up to a simple truism.

The Democrats are now a right wing led party, the GOP a more right wing led party, so neither represent a good chunk of the nation. They are now seeking other options.

 

[Valcazar]

This is exactly the kind of weaseliness that causes you and the rest of the Bernie Bros to be perpetual losers. You have been provoking dissension in our social discourse ever since your guy lost to Hillary...because you want to bring on a societal collapse because “sometimes things have to get worse before they get better”...remember?

The question, as always, with Butler1000 is which of his stated goals are the ones he actually believes in and which are just rhetorical posturing to advance those real goals.
Of course, there is always the possibility he has no goals and is trolling or that he is somehow too ignorant to be aware that his goals are contradictory.

For instance, his stance below.

I'm a spectator now. My guy is out and its between the two cognatively challenged ones. Neither of which will be good for the nation or the world. So I will enjoy the show and sniping from the sidelines.

"Ha ha, this will cause horrible things so I will enjoy the show" is, of course, a morally horrible position.
Is this because he is just a troll? Is it because his real goal is the chaos?
It is hard to say.

Unfortunately for you the populace is waking up to a simple truism.

The Democrats are now a right wing led party, the GOP a more right wing led party, so neither represent a good chunk of the nation. They are now seeking other options.

Think about what it means to say this and how it lines up with his claimed goals.
Trolling to provoke a reaction?
Massive ignorance?

It is hard to say.

 

[Butler1000]

The question, as always, with Butler1000 is which of his stated goals are the ones he actually believes in and which are just rhetorical posturing to advance those real goals.
Of course, there is always the possibility he has no goals and is trolling or that he is somehow too ignorant to be aware that his goals are contradictory.

For instance, his stance below.



"Ha ha, this will cause horrible things so I will enjoy the show" is, of course, a morally horrible position.
Is this because he is just a troll? Is it because his real goal is the chaos?
It is hard to say.



Think about what it means to say this and how it lines up with his claimed goals.
Trolling to provoke a reaction?
Massive ignorance?

It is hard to say.

Seeing the big picture. You aren't. You can't think past November 4th.

When i say I will enjoy the show I mean posters like you who will either have to explain the loss by Biden, or explain later why things continue to deteriorate despite his win.

Because things won't get better.

 

[Valcazar]

Seeing the big picture. You aren't. You can't think past November 4th.

When i say I will enjoy the show I mean posters like you who will either have to explain the loss by Biden, or explain later why things continue to deteriorate despite his win.

Because things won't get better.

This is what we mean by it being so difficult to tell what you believe.
You seem to be the only person who believes that magical unicorn fairies will fix everything if the right person wins the election, but also that voting is stupid.

It's very odd and adds to the debate of ignorant or lying.

 

[Frankfooter]

This is what we mean by it being so difficult to tell what you believe.
You seem to be the only person who believes that magical unicorn fairies will fix everything if the right person wins the election, but also that voting is stupid.

It's very odd and adds to the debate of ignorant or lying.

Butler has inside intel, from his youtube experts, that he knows Trump will kill the ACA and immediately institute free social health care.
But only for his family.

 

[Butler1000]

This is what we mean by it being so difficult to tell what you believe.
You seem to be the only person who believes that magical unicorn fairies will fix everything if the right person wins the election, but also that voting is stupid.

It's very odd and adds to the debate of ignorant or lying.

Your problem is you say I don't understand the American political system. I do. The difference you all your though processes are within that system. I dont think you can fathom it being any other way. You frame every solution with "it can't be done because".

But it can be. Because it has been done in other nations. The volume of lies the people of the USA are told by its leadership and media for decades is so large most of the world can't believe it. Medicare for all is not a unicorn. Neither is bringing troops home. Or well reasoned gun control laws. Or ending mass incarceration. Or expanding labour laws to benefit all workers.

It's all there ready to be had. And the majority if actually presented with it in a possitive light would go for it. But they haven't presentedit that way. The misrepresentate these things.

Thats the truth. You just can't seem to accept that because it would be an indictment of your "democracy". Which in many ways it isn't. Is it?

 

[Valcazar]

Your problem is you say I don't understand the American political system. I do. The difference you all your though processes are within that system. I dont think you can fathom it being any other way. You frame every solution with "it can't be done because".

No. Just to you because you don't know how to accomplish it.

But it can be. Because it has been done in other nations. The volume of lies the people of the USA are told by its leadership and media for decades is so large most of the world can't believe it. Medicare for all is not a unicorn. Neither is bringing troops home. Or well reasoned gun control laws. Or ending mass incarceration. Or expanding labour laws to benefit all workers.

It's all there ready to be had. And the majority if actually presented with it in a possitive light would go for it. But they haven't presentedit that way. The misrepresentate these things.

Thats the truth. You just can't seem to accept that because it would be an indictment of your "democracy". Which in many ways it isn't. Is it?

All these things are possible. But you need to work to do it.
My problem with you is that you don't know how to do it and actively work against accomplishing any of those things because you don't understand how politics work.

I'm still not convinced you actually want any of these things, but I generally try to be optimistic.
I would rather believe you are deeply stupid than you are deliberately misrepresenting things in order to sabotage progress.

 

[Butler1000]

No. Just to you because you don't know how to accomplish it.



All these things are possible. But you need to work to do it.
My problem with you is that you don't know how to do it and actively work against accomplishing any of those things because you don't understand how politics work.

I'm still not convinced you actually want any of these things, but I generally try to be optimistic.
I would rather believe you are deeply stupid than you are deliberately misrepresenting things in order to sabotage progress.

As 20 years later the wars are still on, medical care is still a shitshow, Wall St and K Street are still corrupting pomiticians, and in a pandemic the politicians all went home, I'd say nothing has changed or will change by putting in a guy who is the poster boy for everything wrong in Washington.

He is, without a doubt, one of the key architects and shepards of all the policies that has led the USA to the mess its in today. And his public statements clearly say he has no plans to change the course.

And you offer nothing either in concrete solutions. You claim you know better. Ok. Put up or shut up.

Lay out YOUR detailed plans for a better USA policy wise. Lets see what you have.