How Long Will Businesses Be Forced To Close?

[Smallcock]

The interesting part is that this is only the FIRST season for this virus. Unless a vaccination is developed, confirmed as viable, and distributed quickly on a global scale, or some material new public health measures and practices are implemented world wide, we could be right back into the same situations or very similar in the fall/winter of 2020-2021.

Excellent point.

Mother Nature could be toying with us, and return with a vengeance next year. We're not prepared for such events. Imagine the same virus comes back next year but with a 20% - 30% mortality rate. Super contagious and 1 out of every 3 people die from it.

After all, they reported that the newer second strain of covid19 was more potent than the first one following its mutation.

This could be the battle of the 21st century... mother nature lobbing one terrifying virus at humanity after another. The world's true apex predator brought to its knees.

 

[Jasmina]

It wont be exactly the same. People who get it this time will have built some resistance that we didn't have this time around because new virus.

The interesting part is that this is only the FIRST season for this virus. Unless a vaccination is developed, confirmed as viable, and distributed quickly on a global scale, or some material new public health measures and practices are implemented world wide, we could be right back into the same situations or very similar in the fall/winter of 2020-2021.

 

[wonkyknee]

the numbers are nowhere near huge in Toronto yet at sunnybrook today they started testing at 11:00 am, but didn't start until 12:30 leaving sick people waiting outside in the cold for over 90minutes. many of those in line were nurses too. What will happen when this thing escalates?

 

[John Wick]

It wont be exactly the same. People who get it this time will have built some resistance that we didn't have this time around because new virus.

I would hope so, but based on what I've been reading, with this particular virus that may not necessarily be the case. It is very different than those that have come before.

We also can't expect that everyone in general population will have been infected this round and will have developed some degree of resistance. If I were to bet, I'd say there are probably more that will NOT come into contact with the virus THIS time due to social distancing and other measures, and could remain equally susceptible as containment measures are relaxed and in the months that follow.

 

[GameBoy27]

I would hope so, but based on what I've been reading, with this particular virus that may not necessarily be the case. It is very different than those that have come before.

We said the same thing about SARS. I can't remember, did scientists develop a vaccine or did it just go away?

We also can't expect that everyone in general population will have been infected this round and will have developed some degree of resistance. If I were to bet, I'd say there are probably more that will NOT come into contact with the virus THIS time due to social distancing and other measures, and could remain equally susceptible as containment measures are relaxed and in the months that follow.

Also a distinct possibility.

Gotta hand it to the human guinea pigs who stepped forward to try the new vaccine. Hey Big Sleazy, going to give it a go?

https://globalnews.ca/news/6684324/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-us/

 

[Smallcock]

Gotta hand it to the human guinea pigs who stepped forward to try the new vaccine. Hey Big Sleazy, going to give it a go?

https://globalnews.ca/news/6684324/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-us/

They're incredible people. Usually junkies, mentally ill, or severely desperate for cash. We all owe a huge debt of gratitude to them for saving countless lives.

 

[John Wick]

We said the same thing about SARS. I can't remember, did scientists develop a vaccine or did it just go away?

To my knowledge, the research to develop a vaccine for SARS remains an ongoing endeavor. The last SARS case reported was in 2004, and as today, the isolation of infected individuals was the method to contain the virus. In the end, you either got it, or didn't, and if you did, you had a 10% mortality rate. To date there is also no known cure for SARS.

 

[Smallcock]

If scientists developed a vaccine within a month, would you take it without knowing if it has any long-term negative health effects?

 

[SchlongConery]

If scientists developed a vaccine within a month, would you take it without knowing if it has any long-term negative health effects?

Yes.

Despite Big Sleazy and his cult's claims, vaccines seldom have long term adverse effects.

The risk is in an immediate adverse reaction or false sense of security if it is less than 100% effective.

 

[GameBoy27]

Yes.

They'll even pay you.

Despite Big Sleazy and his cult's claims, vaccines seldom have long term adverse effects. The risk is in an immediate adverse reaction or false sense of security if it is less than 100% effective.

True that. The biggest worry is that you may be allergic to something in it, but that's rare in itself. Like you said, the other problem is that it's just not very effective. I trust the scientists will come up with a vaccine but as they say, it could take a year. Imagine having to keep up social distancing for a year?

 

[Polaris]

We said the same thing about SARS. I can't remember, did scientists develop a vaccine or did it just go away?

SARS disappeared and never came back, not yet at least. 13 years and counting.

That's why the conspiracy theory that SARS was a bio-weapon was an American weapon used against China, that theory never goes away because no virus did what SARS did.

Appear from nowhere, create carnage, then disappears and never seen again. That never happens.

 

[Polaris]

January 22, 2020 was the date the order came down to seal off Wuhan for a mass quarantine. The death toll from the Wuhan Coronavirus has risen to 17. Chinese authorities confirm at least 547 cases in the mainland.

What exactly are Canada's numbers now? Did not check today.

From under 1000 cases and with a mass quarantine, Wuhan got to 70000 cases in a matter of 3 or 4 weeks.

So we have to expect the same number of cases in Canada at a minimum, although we probably go over 100,000 cases of Covid-19.

When they say "flattening the curve", what the health authorities means is not reduce the number of cases, just have the cases appear gradually over time, in order to not overwhelm the health care system.

The peak in Wuhan happen in the first week of February, but from the time of the lock down, the most aggressive quarantine methods ever employed by humanity was tried.

Technology used for contract tracing, widespread testing of Covid-19, mandatory confinement in one's apartment, and neighbourhood committees (a throwback from Chairman Mao days) they went around testing people's temperature, also they outlawed the sale of temperature reducing drugs. Obviously, because of freedom, none of this will be done here.

For argument's sake, assume the peak comes two months from now. We are not going to do what the Chinese did, so no way the peak arrives in one month. Two months is May 1st. Then the new cases retreat, and after another two months which is July 1st, things will be under control.

In China, things are getting back to normal, but Wuhan the epicenter is not back to normal.

If things are under control here in Ontario by July 1st, all that means is the health care system can handle the stress. That does not mean the virus is still not out there. Wuhan will take another 2 or 3 months before it gets back to normal. That was the epicenter. There could be a resurgence of the coronanvirus.

Therefore, assuming on July 1st, things are under control here in Toronto, but if the authorities let the people go back to normal, that risks a resurgence of the coronavirus and another outbreak. So we have to expect the health authorities to want another 2 months to be safe and to make sure they can handle another outbreak. The same caution they are exercising in Wuhan.

If we want to live with Covid-19 we go back to work soon and take our chances. If we value life, then the earliest Toronto will get back to normal is a few months at least.

Then the wild card, the Americans. They are in a lot worst shape. It is going to spread like crazy down there. Justin Trudeau did the right thing, seal that border.

 

[Polaris]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/coronavirus-fatality-rate-white-house.html

 

[Polaris]

I do not like being negative, but on the other hand we need info.

New York state governor Cuomo is one public official that has come out stating a date.

Governor Cuomo is aiming for the peak of Covid-19 cases in 45 days. Therefore, that has to be doubled, meaning 90 days is what the governor is hoping for that new cases will drop to close to zero. Then they would have to wait two weeks at least, which is the incubation period, before things can try to turn back to normal.

It is up to each and every individual to decide is this is realistic or optimistic.

Perhaps we could watch the developments in Italy to determine when normality could return.

All the best.



Cuomo: Coronavirus peak in NY could be in 45 days

By John Bowden - 03/17/20 11:17 AM EDT

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487992-cuomo-coronavirus-peak-could-be-in-45-days

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I don't know about anyone else but this has changed my whole outlook on contaminants. I will be wiping down every cart I use, using hand-sanitizer after everything I touch when shopping. This will be my life from now on. Even if this virus goes away and never comes back.

This opened my eye to just how easily we catch things from others. I thought of myself as clean before. I never get the flu, etc but now, this has totally changed my life. Never again with I touch a keypad, touch screen, door handle, without immediately washing my hands.

 

[GameBoy27]

I don't know about anyone else but this has changed my whole outlook on contaminants. I will be wiping down every cart I use, using hand-sanitizer after everything I touch when shopping. This will be my life from now on. Even if this virus goes away and never comes back. Not to mention what it's going to do to your hands.

This opened my eye to just how easily we catch things from others. I thought of myself as clean before. I never get the flu, etc but now, this has totally changed my life. Never again with I touch a keypad, touch screen, door handle, without immediately washing my hands.

While I understand your concern, that's a little overkill once the threat of COVID-19 goes away. Are you serious when you say you'll use sanitizer after everything you touch? You'll be going through a lot of sanitizer if you're loading 30 items into your cart.

Aside from inhaling droplets containing a virus, you won't catch something by simply touching a contaminated item. You have to touch your eyes, nose or mouth afterwards. So a more reasonable practice would be to do all your shopping, load up your car, get in then sanitize your hands. Now you can touch your face. Practice good hygiene but don't live your life in fear.

Being in the sex trade, you should be more concerned with swapping bodily fluids with random strangers, possibly containing any number of viruses, STIs etc. than touching a grocery cart.

 

[wonkyknee]

what's the latest on hydroxychloroquine(malaria) drugs that seem to work well?

 

[John Wick]

Aside from inhaling droplets containing a virus, you won't catch something by simply touching a contaminated item. You have to touch your eyes, nose or mouth afterwards. So a more reasonable practice would be to do all your shopping, load up your car, get in then sanitize your hands. Now you can touch your face. Practice good hygiene but don't live your life in fear.

In theory, this makes sense. But practically, I've begun to really wonder. I'm getting packages delivered to me via Amazon every day now, and since they have noted the virus can survive for a lengthy period of time on myriad surfaces, I've taken to wearing latex gloves outside the house, or when opening the boxes and discarding the cardboard in the garage. Same with groceries/shopping. I'm wearing latex gloves everywhere, I carry my own pen, and use clorox wipes to sanitize boxes, cans, plastic packaging before putting away in my fridge or larder. I wipe down my pay cards too if I've used them at a retailer's counter. All fruits and veggies also getting a wicked scrub before going in the fridge. Careful to take the gloves off and discard once I get in my car so as not to contaminate the interior like the wheel, dash and radio controls. Wiping down my mailbox and outside door handle every day. Maybe I'm going nuts too, but I really REALLY don't want to contract this crap, or bring it back to my family at home.

 

[GameBoy27]

In theory, this makes sense. But practically, I've begun to really wonder. I'm getting packages delivered to me via Amazon every day now, and since they have noted the virus can survive for a lengthy period of time on myriad surfaces, I've taken to wearing latex gloves outside the house, or when opening the boxes and discarding the cardboard in the garage. Same with groceries/shopping. I'm wearing latex gloves everywhere, I carry my own pen, and use clorox wipes to sanitize boxes, cans, plastic packaging before putting away in my fridge or larder. I wipe down my pay cards too if I've used them at a retailer's counter. All fruits and veggies also getting a wicked scrub before going in the fridge. Careful to take the gloves off and discard once I get in my car so as not to contaminate the interior like the wheel, dash and radio controls. Wiping down my mailbox and outside door handle every day. Maybe I'm going nuts too, but I really REALLY don't want to contract this crap, or bring it back to my family at home.

While it's good to be vigilant, most public health agencies are not recommending the use of gloves as a protective measure against COVID-19 for the general public. WHO has also not recommended people wear gloves. A virologist said he worries items like gloves give a “false sense of security” and washing hands is a far better precautionary measure.

Healthcare workers on the other hand must wear gloves. We certainly don't want a shortage in hospitals because the general public starts wearing them. Which is a possibility if people start hoarding them. Just look at hand sanitizer and toilet paper as an example.

You're more likely to pick up the virus from a hard surface than cardboard. There's no difference between opening the box and removing the items with bare hands or wearing gloves. Just wash your hands well afterwards and don't touch your eyes, nose or mouth before you do. Don't worry, the virus isn't absorbed through the skin on your hands.

 

[PinotNoir]

SARS effected us for 9 months