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What work? explain what you posted?
So someone asks for scientific evidence that biological sex is not a simple binary, got those sources, and you decide not to read them or even watch the very simplified video.

A quick summary. There are many genes that affect primary and secondary sexual characteristics. By your definition they all would have to be 100% male or 100% female. The fact that there are many studies showing otherwise is irrefutable evidence that though in most cases, these genes are aligned, there are enough cases of gene 'misalignment' both from random genetic mutations, fusion of different genes, or environmental factors that turn genes on/off that disprove your claim. And as I said, the obvious examples of hermaphrodites should have ended the conversation about what science says.
 

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The 1st study does not do that. Don't dismiss it I read it. It says that men or women is critically poor category that goes way beyond Reproductive. That organs can be considered male or female Add the generic level.

Theoretically not individual by the article Defects In replication Could occur to Mix male and female organs. I suppose you could make this On a percentage scale of 100% male 100% female and Have mixes in the middle. Of course it's medical and I could have easily messed up. Biology is my worst subject After languages.
So you read the abstract of the first article then rejected what it says. What a surprise. Especially so since you acknowledge that the paper states explicitly that biological sex is not just sperm vs ova.

Not sure what you're saying in the 2nd paragraph. Are you admitting that there is room between the 100%s? Are you mixing up the ideas of genes and their impact vs. organs?
 

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Thanks for agreeing with what I said in my first post in this thread. Gender and biological sex are different things. Biological sex is easier to study as it is based on genetics and biological structures. Gender is a social science so from a scientific basis, there are a huge number of extraneous variables to come up with easy to prove definitions.

The study I posted about brain development in trans people often matching their gender identity does have scientific merit though.
 

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Thanks for agreeing with what I said in my first post in this thread. Gender and biological sex are different things. Biological sex is easier to study as it is based on genetics and biological structures. Gender is a social science so from a scientific basis, there are a huge number of extraneous variables to come up with easy to prove definitions.

The study I posted about brain development in trans people often matching their gender identity does have scientific merit though.
No, what you're trying to do is confuse the conversation by using intersex to prove transgender.

What I'm proving to you is Intersex and Transgender are 2 separate issues.
 

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So someone asks for scientific evidence that biological sex is not a simple binary, got those sources, and you decide not to read them or even watch the very simplified video.

A quick summary. There are many genes that affect primary and secondary sexual characteristics. By your definition they all would have to be 100% male or 100% female. The fact that there are many studies showing otherwise is irrefutable evidence that though in most cases, these genes are aligned, there are enough cases of gene 'misalignment' both from random genetic mutations, fusion of different genes, or environmental factors that turn genes on/off that disprove your claim. And as I said, the obvious examples of hermaphrodites should have ended the conversation about what science says.
What you are talking about are people born with genetic abnormalities and medical disorders.

This is like me saying everyone is born with two arms and you say "well not everyone is born with two arm".

But here is the thing, they still have some or a lack of combination of X and Y.
 

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Well, the French have two genders (M/F) for everything (in their words) and the Germans have three genders (M/F/neither). Take your pick...
 

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Well, the French have two genders (M/F) for everything (in their words) and the Germans have three genders (M/F/neither). Take your pick...
Then the Ojibwe speakers have kind of two (animate/inanimate) but it gets more complicated than just that with a kind of hierarchy and then you have the Dyirbal who have 4 (men and animate objects / women, fire, and dangerous things/edible plants / other things)
 
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Then the Ojibwe speakers have kind of two (animate/inanimate) but it gets more complicated than just that with a kind of hierarchy and then you have the Dyirbal who have 4 (men and animate objects / women, fire, and dangerous things/edible plants / other things)
Don't forget the way the Greek's understood sex, another interesting take that would confuse modern right wingers.
 

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No, what you're trying to do is confuse the conversation by using intersex to prove transgender.

What I'm proving to you is Intersex and Transgender are 2 separate issues.
I'm answering the original question. he wanted to know the scientific evidence. In case you have troubles reading, perhaps you can go back to my first post in this thread where I clearly differentiated sex vs gender.

And I see you've chosen to ignore the study saying that many trans people have brain structures that match their gender identity rather than their perceived biological sex.
 

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And here is what I keep telling you. What happens when someone says they are trans but the brain test says they are not?
I don't do anything because it's not my job to tell people what to feel about themselves.

But what that study shows is that there seems to be some kind of biological connection in at least some cases which deserves further investigation instead of just dismissing it all out of hand.

And thanks for finally admitting that for at least some people, trans identity is backed by biological tests.
 
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