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No No No No No No No!!!!!

xxy = Klinefelter syndrome. You are medically classified as a male with a chromosome disorder.
xxx = Trisomy X. You are medically classified as a female with a chromosome disorder.
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Yet they defy the XX vs XY binary that you insist is absolute.
 
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I'm just glad that my belief of men sleeping with women produces babies to keep this world going for a while is also backed by science AND as an added bonus I don't need to join a fringe group for whatever wierd reason.
 
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You forgot to mention that XYY is Jacob's Syndrome and that X is Turner syndrome, also viewed as chromosomal disorders (some medical sources call them abnormalities or anomalies) - which means basically that they're outside the norm. I'd remind you that until relatively recently (50 years ago) homosexuality was classified as a psychological disorder and was even believed to be curable. Individuals with either of those chromosomal disorders (or any other chromosomal disorder/abnormality/anomaly affecting the sex hormones) have been classified as male/female because society - including medicine - accepted the gender binary, just as up until 1973 medicine accepted that orientation was absolute - heterosexuality was normal and anything else was a disorder to be treated.

In any event the point is that the standard binary is xx = female and XY = male. The various other possible combinations suggest that there's more going on than a simple binary even at the chromosomal level and it's very possible that medical science may some day alter its perception of the gender binary.
xyy = Jacob's syndrome. You are medically classified as a male with a chromosome disorder.
x = Turner syndrome. You are medically classified as a female with a chromosome disorder.

They are outside the norm but that doesn't exclude them from the group.

Now the thing is if a Trans person has "xy", are male or female or other? :cool:
 
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There are only two genders....male and female....somewhere along the way....dick decides he likes dicks...and kitty likes other kitties....who are we as human beings restrict dick and kitty not to like what they like? We need to accept that as humans everyone has freedom to be happy...a Trans is a new breed I haven't have the time to study yet...
 

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There are only two genders....male and female....somewhere along the way....dick decides he likes dicks...and kitty likes other kitties....who are we as human beings restrict dick and kitty not to like what they like? We need to accept that as humans everyone has freedom to be happy...a Trans is a new breed I haven't have the time to study yet...
There are also only political parties, left and right, only two colours, black and white and only two times of day, night and day.
 
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You forgot to mention that XYY is Jacob's Syndrome and that X is Turner syndrome, also viewed as chromosomal disorders (some medical sources call them abnormalities or anomalies) - which means basically that they're outside the norm. I'd remind you that until relatively recently (50 years ago) homosexuality was classified as a psychological disorder and was even believed to be curable. Individuals with either of those chromosomal disorders (or any other chromosomal disorder/abnormality/anomaly affecting the sex hormones) have been classified as male/female because society - including medicine - accepted the gender binary, just as up until 1973 medicine accepted that orientation was absolute - heterosexuality was normal and anything else was a disorder to be treated.

In any event the point is that the standard binary is xx = female and XY = male. The various other possible combinations suggest that there's more going on than a simple binary even at the chromosomal level and it's very possible that medical science may some day alter its perception of the gender binary.
It's a subject that's been discussed for quite some time.

 

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Yet they have nothing to do with being transgender.

And the end of it all is, You're still classified as male or female.
Not according to actual scientists. You even used the term intersex.

Why is it that you choose to ignore the study I mentioned that shows many trans people have brain structures that match their perceived gender? That pretty clearly shows evidence for a biological connection to transgender identity.
 

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You forgot to mention that XYY is Jacob's Syndrome and that X is Turner syndrome, also viewed as chromosomal disorders (some medical sources call them abnormalities or anomalies) - which means basically that they're outside the norm....
I'm sure you saw the several posts I made that stated that the vast majority of people have their sex determinant chromosomes aligned with each other. Just like with homosexuality, the fact that most people aren't trans doesn't means that some people may have a biological causes for their non-standard gender identity.
 

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Not according to actual scientists.

Why is it that you choose to ignore the study I mentioned that shows many trans people have brain structures that match their perceived gender? That pretty clearly shows evidence for a biological connection to transgender identity.
What happens when someone says they are trans but the brain test says they are not?
 

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Not sure about the Koran, but as long ago as the Book of Deuteronomy the Bible does declare people dressing in clothes normally worn by the other gender as abhorrent to God or words to that effect. Personally, I suspect it was abhorrent to the prevailing culture, which then made the assumption that "God" obviously agreed with the prevailing culture. But the fact that cross-dressing was a subject deemed important enough to be written about in the Old Testament suggests that some degree of gender fluidity existed perhaps 3000 years ago at least.

The more conservative desire for two genders (a clear male-female dichotomy) is probably more tied to a patriarchal world view in which gender roles (and even clothing) are to be clearly assigned, with men as the dominant gender largely controlling the levers of power, which seems to be the preferred paradigm by those who inhabit a certain part of the ideological/religious spectrum. The introduction of any understanding of gender other than this male-female dichotomy threatens that societal construction and the dominance of one particular group.
The immaculate conception was amazing because Mary had a 12" she cock that's why Joseph never fucked her.
 

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According to current medical classifications that's correct. I'm not arguing that it isn't. I'm pointing out that even by the normal chromosomal way of identifying gender, it's not a strict and simple binary of XX=female and XY=male. I would, however, also argue that gender is more than simply a matter of chromosomes. There's a psychological and emotional component to gender as well. These are issues that will have to be at least considered by medical science going forward, just as the "heterosexuality is normal and everything else is abnormal and should be treated and possibly cured" was reconsidered and changed as the understanding of sexual orientation evolved.
Oh yeah. For sure.

 

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Not sure about the Koran, but as long ago as the Book of Deuteronomy the Bible does declare people dressing in clothes normally worn by the other gender as abhorrent to God or words to that effect. Personally, I suspect it was abhorrent to the prevailing culture, which then made the assumption that "God" obviously agreed with the prevailing culture. But the fact that cross-dressing was a subject deemed important enough to be written about in the Old Testament suggests that some degree of gender fluidity existed perhaps 3000 years ago at least.

The more conservative desire for two genders (a clear male-female dichotomy) is probably more tied to a patriarchal world view in which gender roles (and even clothing) are to be clearly assigned, with men as the dominant gender largely controlling the levers of power, which seems to be the preferred paradigm by those who inhabit a certain part of the ideological/religious spectrum. The introduction of any understanding of gender other than this male-female dichotomy threatens that societal construction and the dominance of one particular group.
I was always under the impression that those folks in Sodom knew what they were doing. I'm also sure the Greeks and Romans had clear descriptions of who did what to who! BTW, the English language has more than enough pronouns already. Soon, to address someone we will need to know their password!!!
 
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What happens when someone says they are trans but the brain test says they are not?
You asked that stupid question before but I'm not the director of gender determination.

I know reading is hard for people already triggered past the point of rationality but the brain structures are one of the recently discovered pieces and there will likely be more.

As a really simple comparison, try looking at autism. There have been recent discoveries that show some cases of autism directly caused by certain generic combinations. Instead of being like you and declaring that anyone without those specific genes can't be autistic, it launched more research into the topic.

But thanks for admitting that in at least some cases of trans people, there is a direct biological connection.
 
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I'm not the director of gender determination.
This one I'm keeping. 🤣

I know reading is hard for people already triggered past the point of rationality but the brain structures are one of the recently discovered pieces and there will likely be more.

As a really simple comparison, try looking at autism. There have been recent discoveries that show some cases of autism directly caused by certain generic combinations. Instead of being like you and declaring that anyone without those specific genes can't be autistic, it launched more research into the topic.

But thanks for admitting that in at least some cases of trans people, there is a direct biological connection.
I am telling you point blank in your face there is no biological connection to being transgender.

The answer is there is no biological test for being transgender. It's all observational. It's about as scientific as a polygraph.

"A transgender person is usually born with a body and genes that match a typical male or female, but they know their gender identity to be different."
 
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This one I'm keeping. 🤣


I am telling you point blank in your face there is no biological connection to being transgender.
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Just because you think the earth is flat doesn't mean it is so. You've been given a studies that shows the exact opposite but all you do is stick your fingers in your ears and scream No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!
 

curr3n_c1000

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Just because you think the earth is flat doesn't mean it is so. You've been given a studies that shows the exact opposite but all you do is stick your fingers in your ears and scream No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!
Just because you think a man that cuts his penis off is a women doesn't mean it so. You would have to be mentally challenged to believe a MRI is a definitive way to assess gender.

I already showed you this is not an accurate method, wrong I'll even say. If someone "fails" this MRI study, they are still considered trans.

If you test positive for HIV, would you still consider yourself HIV Free?
 
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