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WoodPeckr

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Team 'w' neofascists wanted no part of this.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Soon after becoming defense secretary, Robert Gates argued the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should be closed because the international community would view any trials there as tainted, The New York Times reported on Thursday.


Instead, Gates, who became
Pentagon chief in December, argued that terrorism suspects should be tried in the United States to make the proceedings more credible, the Times said.

Vice President Dick Cheney, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and others argued against bringing detainees into the United States, and the discussion ended when
President George W. Bush agreed with them, the newspaper quoted administration officials as saying.
 

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So maybe we should follow the fine example of the Italians who pressured the Afghan Government to free several Taliban prisoners/detainees in exchange for an Italian Journalist - several of said Taliban terrorists said as they where walking out the door that they where heading off to start fighting again to attempt to reinstall the Taliban.

When will some people grasp that these folks want to kill us, and destroy the West.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
So maybe we should follow the fine example of the Italians who pressured the Afghan Government to free several Taliban prisoners/detainees in exchange for an Italian Journalist - several of said Taliban terrorists said as they where walking out the door that they where heading off to start fighting again attempt to reinstall the Taliban.

When will some people grasp that these folks want to kill us, and destroy the West.
But, these basically, mostly, almost totally completely inncocent naive detainees at Gitmo are losing the best and most productive years of the life. Surely, the blind do-gooders would love to unlock the gates so that these waifs and scamps can once again carry-on, carry-on being productive slaughterers of innocent human life.
 

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Wouldn't it be ie the planes ironic if the prisioners all got into planes, then enroute the planes were blown up by terrorists??
 

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Off with their heads! shouted the Queen of Hearts

Anbarandy said:
But, these basically, mostly, almost totally completely inncocent naive detainees at Gitmo are losing the best and most productive years of the life. Surely, the blind do-gooders would love to unlock the gates so that these waifs and scamps can once again carry-on, carry-on being productive slaughterers of innocent human life.
You know their guilt how, exactly?

MW
 

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Aardvark154 said:
So maybe we should follow the fine example of the Italians who pressured the Afghan Government to free several Taliban prisoners/detainees in exchange for an Italian Journalist - several of said Taliban terrorists said as they where walking out the door that they where heading off to start fighting again to attempt to reinstall the Taliban.

When will some people grasp that these folks want to kill us, and destroy the West.
It's when some folks start channeling the mindless rants of Arclighter, that some of us begin to get suspicious.

If you are so worried about these people, either get out there and fight, or get back under your bed and suck your thumb.
 

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There is a very good reason why all military personnel want
their country to respect and follow the Geneva convention,
namely that one day some of "us" will be captured by some enemy.

Only foold think they are all powerful and invincible.
 

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Welcome To Dubya's Gulag

Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and Rendition are not all that takes place in Dubya's 'New World Order Empire'. His fascist tactics take place in the USA against US citizens as well.

The Pentagon’s Power to Jail Americans Indefinitely

by Jacob G. Hornberger - March 27, 2007

The presiding judge in the José Padilla case has held that the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee of a speedy trial does not protect American citizens from being indefinitely incarcerated by the Pentagon.

Padilla had filed a motion to dismiss the case on the ground that the federal government had denied him his right to a speedy trial. Padilla has been in custody since May 2002 and his trial, which is scheduled to begin in April, is not being held until some five years later.

From May 2002 until January 2006, Padilla was held in U.S. military custody as an “enemy combatant” in the “war on terror.” In January 2006, the Pentagon chose to transfer custody of Padilla to the U.S. Justice Department, which had indicted Padilla on terrorism charges in U.S. District Court. (Ever since 9/11, U.S. officials have had the option of treating people suspected of terrorism either as “enemy combatants” or as federal-court defendants.)

Last Friday, the presiding judge in the case, Marcia Cooke, denied Padilla’s motion to dismiss. The judge held that when a person, including an American citizen, is held in custody by the Pentagon as an “enemy combatant,” the time doesn’t start running with respect to his right to a speedy trial. It begins running, she held, only when he becomes part of the federal criminal-justice system.

Gee, I wonder if the judge’s reasoning applies to the rest of the Bill of Rights as well. Maybe the First Amendment doesn’t apply if it’s the Pentagon that is suppressing speech and assembly as part of its perpetual “war on terror.” Or maybe the Second Amendment prohibits only the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), not the Pentagon, from seizing guns from the American people, as it is doing as part of the “war on terror” in Iraq.

Our 18th-century American ancestors would have found Judge Cooke’s ruling to be ludicrous. If a military department of government is exempt from the restrictions of the Bill of Rights, then the entire executive branch is exempt for the obvious reason: Whenever the government wants to exempt itself from the Bill of Rights, all it has to do is employ the military to do the dirty deed. The purpose of the Bill of Rights was to protect the American people from the federal government, not a particular department of the federal government.

What Judge Cooke obviously fails to recognize is the deep antipathy to militarism and to an enormous standing military force that characterized our American ancestors. Unlike Judge Cooke, they understood the tremendous threat to the freedom and well-being of the American people that militarism and a standing army would pose.

This week, Judge Cooke is scheduled to rule on Padilla’s motion to dismiss on the basis of the government’s torture and abuse of Padilla while he was in pretrial military confinement. It will be interesting to see if Judge Cook rules that that the military is also exempt from that part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits the federal government from inflicting cruel and unusual punishments on Americans and others suspected of terrorism.

Don’t forget: José Padilla is an American citizen. Thus, this case continues to hold ominous implications for the American people, especially when Judge Cooke’s ruling is considered in conjunction with the ruling of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals that upheld the government’s “enemy-combatant” designation for Americans as part of its “war on terrorism.” That means that whatever the government has done – and continues doing to Padilla – and, for that matter, every other “enemy combatant” in its “war on terror,“ – it has the authority to do to all Americans.

Judge Cooke’s ruling is just one more confirmation of how civil liberties have soared to the top of importance in terms of federal infringements on our freedom. Perhaps this is a good time to revisit the warning issued to the American people by President Dwight Eisenhower, who had served as supreme commander of Allied forces during World War II:

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted.
 

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Woody,

Do you ever have an original thought? Or are all your words given to you by others?

Wood the problem with morons is you are the poster child.
 

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TOVisitor said:
If you are so worried about these people, either get out there and fight, or get back under your bed and suck your thumb.
And how do you know I haven't (the former rather than the later)?
 
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