But it's quite useful to determine what issues society needs to solve. Shootings in gang violence tell us we need to act on gang activity and mass shooters incited by extremist propaganda is a sign we need to act on that propaganda (and mental health).
Four Mass Shooting Truths To Shut Down Your Liberal Family Members At Thanksgiving Dinner
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I'm sure you have as much evidence to base this claim on as you do for your climate views.
There have been many well reported cases of gun dealers being involved in straw purchases or claiming their guns were stolen, collecting the insurance, and selling them under the table. One of the major issues in the US is that the gun lobby has succeeded in handcuffing the ATF and stopping investigations into these criminal gun dealers both by implementing laws and removing funding for the agency.
Universal background checks and red flag laws are supported by a significant majority of Americans but the well funded politicians will never allow it.
if he could not get a AR-15 , he would have gotten a different type of weapon, an AK-47 perhaps
There has been up to 100 million AK-47s made ,half outside of Russia with no license
And you think you can control guns to stop lunatic mass murders ?
Stop deluding yourself
Yes. Specifically legislation enabling the ATF to investigate sketchy gun dealers, requiring universal background checks, eliminating independent private sales, and enforcing red flag laws.
Yes, to a very large and significant extent. Its not just AR-15s that need to be controlled. All assault weapons, certain calibre types, magazine sizes, number of bullets you are allowed to purchase in one go etc. Read my suggestion on ammunition and access control I wrote about a while earlier in this thread.
The majority of mass shooters obtain guns legally that they use in their shootings. So restricting who purchases what type of guns, and how they use it is what will resolve this issue.
You literally have no points to say why exactly gun control wont work, other than saying, "Oh they will obtain it via other means or use other means". No they wont. And how do you know that they would anyway? If that was the case why have there been such a major reduction in mass shootings in Australia or Canada or the UK?
No thanks , your suggestion will amount to dictating how you want to control others
I do not believe you
All of the mass killers are nutjobs., nutjobs do not allow laws to stop what they will do
not a snowballs chance in hell
Didn't you just quote something about the Queensland shooter ?
Gun control did not stop him now did it?
Meanwhile a nutjob killed 10 people in Canada with his van
are you going to propose banning Vans as well ?
Meanwhile Justin Trudeau snuck in an amendment to his gun control law after debate which will ban thousands of rifles which were designed to accept a clip with greater than 5 rounds
not rifles with that clip, but any with a design feature
just like Justin snuck in an amendment after debate on this internet control law
if a politician needs to sneak his law past debate, something is wrong with it
the same PM who supports protests just so long as they are not protesting his policies
The same PM who enacted the emergencies act to deal with bouncy castles and hot tubs in Ottawa , despite not meeting the criteria of the act
This is not about gun control, this is about controlling others
Could this be why citizens want to be armed these days?
Australia implemented gun laws in response to Queensland.
And they lowered shooting deaths.
The Effects of the 1996 National Firearms Agreement in Australia on Suicide, Homicide, and Mass Shootings
Australia’s 1996 National Firearms Agreement (NFA) banned several types of firearms and resulted in the government buying hundreds of thousands of the banned weapons from their owners. This essay analyses the evidence from studies examining the effect of removing so many weapons from the community.
www.rand.org
So how would anyone defend themselves in that scenario even if they were armed?
Anyway, I think Americans dont need a reason to be armed. It is just their culture and fucked up politics.
PS: What hyperbole to call Philly a "war zone". Nonsense. An act of crime doesn't make it a war zone. lol
gun control would not have stopped that horrific murder
nope , allowing criminals like that to walk the streets is every reason law abidding citizens should have the option to arm themselves
you do not think if you believe you can legislate a cultural change
just stroll about the inner city of Detroit, Chicago . St louis or philly for a couple of hours, every day for a week
then report back to us how much you were robbed of. if you are still alive
then try it at night
Australia implemented gun laws in response to Queensland.
And they lowered shooting deaths.
The Effects of the 1996 National Firearms Agreement in Australia on Suicide, Homicide, and Mass Shootings
Australia’s 1996 National Firearms Agreement (NFA) banned several types of firearms and resulted in the government buying hundreds of thousands of the banned weapons from their owners. This essay analyses the evidence from studies examining the effect of removing so many weapons from the community.
www.rand.org
I suppose you'd think laws against hand grenades are just as stupid.
Undercover cops bought 60 hand grenades in a Canadian Tire parking lot, trial hears
The officer identified only as “Officer No. 2” described for court how he posed as a survivalist stockpiling weapons.
Why do you think there are so many less gun deaths in Canada vs the US?
When presented with facts you literally cover your ears and let your feelings dictate your beliefs. Either you are the greatest troll ever and we’ve all been getting trolled this whole time or you really are this dense…..
Man you sound scared of your own shadow. What a weak man lol.
That's how it happened in California back in the day.I'm sure there are other factors that probably explain why the correlation isn't exact.
But the fact that even with such different laws and situations there is a correlation proves the point.
Nothing would get republicans to agree to gun laws faster than more protests like this:
I think maybe John has become an anarchist and believes there should be no laws against anything because no laws ever stop anyone from doing anything.
