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Four Mass Shooting Truths To Shut Down Your Liberal Family Members At Thanksgiving Dinner
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I do get to choose who I spend time with
You would not make the list
You are not my buddy
#1 you are speculating there will always be mass murders - So no amount of gun control will fix that
#2 Your objective is to control guns not to prevent mass murders- that is messed up
wrong & wrong again
Do not pretend to tell me what I think, you will get it wrong
If you want to own a gun , take the courses, get a license and use it responsibly-
And one other thing , do not be a lunatic
As I suspected you think social workers , defunded police reduced sentences and fairy dust is the answer to crime
That's a dishonest straw man argument, larue.
More guns = more deaths by guns.
Mass murderers, gangbangers, cops or whoever is doing the killing.
More gun control = fewer people killed by guns.
Those are the facts.
So why would you argue for more people to die by gunshot?
I am not speculating there will be mass murders, but one is VERY justified in expecting mass murders to occur. You'd be VERY NAIVE to think that mass murders are just going to stop.
You ARE against gun control legislation. You said so in your previous sentence. lol.
Yeah how is a heavily militarized police, over policing and locking people up for minor offences etc working out for you in reducing crime in these poor neighbourhoods?
You have no solutions and you are replying for the sake of replying.
Why even start or engage in such an argument especially with your family / in-laws? Maybe the OP only sees them once a year during the holidays and has to travel a bit to see them. Why make an already distant / uncomfortable relationship even more so by bringing politics into it? Is owning the Libs more important than enjoying some time and a meal together? Is winning worth it if that's the last memory you have of your family / in-laws?
I know that we cannot choose our families and in-laws, but you can:
I know that we cannot choose our families and in-laws, but you can:
- Choose not to engage in political or heavy topics during gatherings
- Choose not to get into arguments that nobody has any control over
If there's a will there's a way...if a mass shooter wants to go on mass shooting, do you really think gun control legislation would stop him? No matter what motivates him to kill...
Yeah he may not be able to find weapons to shoot. Look at Australia for example. After the Port Arthur massacre, they bought back 650,000 guns. How many mass shootings have you heard of in Australia after that? So yes, gun legislation works. It is what the US needs.
As long as it makes it harder for him then its better.
You don't think people would be way less worried if all mass murderers had were knives?
Does legislation make it harder for criminals to acquire guns? It's laughable how when you hear "mass shootings" automatically what comes to your mind is some 15 yr old from the suburbs who had access to his parent's guns and goes on a spree....get off the television...
Yes.
If there are less guns around its harder for everyone to get them there are less deaths.
Check the stats and compare gun deaths with the US and here, the UK and Australia or any other industrialized country.
The majority of mass shooters are legal gun owners. Why do you think legislation won't work? It has worked elsewhere, it will work in the US.
Gun nuts always say shit like they have some profound understanding of why mass shootings happen, but cant come up with any useful solutions or suggestions. They wouldn't unless one of their loved ones gets shot.
If nothing else it would likely cut down the number of deaths and injuries from these events even if it does not reduce the number of events. Same with high capacity magazines.
I think it might be worth mentioning that the deadliest mass shootings had a weapon like the AR-15 as the death delivery vehicle. Sure, handguns kill a LOT of people. Maybe they kill more. But the reality here is that when an assault-type weapon is used in a shooting, the odds of there being survivors drops significantly. A Glock does a lot of damage to the body, but a long gun does significantly more. The trauma the rounds do inside the body are catastrophic. As I said in a previous post, the rapper 50 Cent famously got shot 9 time by a handgun and lived. If it were a rifle, one would have likely killed him.
As someone else pointed out, many of the gang related mass shootings are done by blacks or latinos. Sure. That isn't really up for debate. But, I can name several ones where the gunman was white (like the Las Vegas concert shooting) that killed or injured more people that most of these gang land beefs in one go.
What makes me laugh is that if blacks and latinos started to buy AR-15s in mass numbers, I could totally see the GOP start to impose bans on assault rifles...
Finally, the whole "liberal media" thing is just bullshit. As much as the Fox News mouth breathers want to pretend, there is no such thing. They cover legit stories, not ones that are designed to make their political opponents look bad or their own people look good. And, the reality here is that the media cannot cover every story. You look at a place like LA, and their media only covers the sensational murders. They actually have a website dedicated to murders. They did not cover them all because there are only so many hours in the day, minutes in a newscast and pages in a newspaper...
homicide.latimes.com
As someone else pointed out, many of the gang related mass shootings are done by blacks or latinos. Sure. That isn't really up for debate. But, I can name several ones where the gunman was white (like the Las Vegas concert shooting) that killed or injured more people that most of these gang land beefs in one go.
What makes me laugh is that if blacks and latinos started to buy AR-15s in mass numbers, I could totally see the GOP start to impose bans on assault rifles...
Finally, the whole "liberal media" thing is just bullshit. As much as the Fox News mouth breathers want to pretend, there is no such thing. They cover legit stories, not ones that are designed to make their political opponents look bad or their own people look good. And, the reality here is that the media cannot cover every story. You look at a place like LA, and their media only covers the sensational murders. They actually have a website dedicated to murders. They did not cover them all because there are only so many hours in the day, minutes in a newscast and pages in a newspaper...
The Homicide Report
Los Angeles County murder and homicide victims, and their stories.
homicide.latimes.com
How did I know I would invoke a reaction out of you from just one simple word?
This chart makes so much sense. Something to consider about it though...How many states with strict gun laws border those without? For example, the right-wingers make a big deal about the level of violence in Chicago, which has strict gun laws. What they never want to admit (or talk about) is the fact that Gary, Indiana (a state with relatively relaxed gun laws) is only 45 minutes away. I can't even get out of Toronto in under that time. So, how hard is it for someone to drive there, pick up a weapon (or 10) and bring them back over into Illinois?That's a dishonest straw man argument, larue.
More guns = more deaths by guns.
Mass murderers, gangbangers, cops or whoever is doing the killing.
More gun control = fewer people killed by guns.
Those are the facts.
So why would you argue for more people to die by gunshot?
I also want to re-visit the carnage that long guns do. Nearly all the major shootings massacres used them.
San Bernardino, CA shooting: AR-15 type rifle - 14 killed, 22 injured
Pulse Night Club (Orlando, FL): AR-15 type rifle - 49 killed, 53 injured
Las Vegas shooting: AR-15 type rife (among other weapons) - 60 killed, 413 injured
Colorado Springs shooting: AR-15 type rifle - 5 dead, 25 injured ***Could have been much worse without heroic intervention***
Sandy Hooks (Newtown CT): AR-15 type rifle - 26 dead
Uvalde, TX shooting: AR-15 type rifle - 21 dead, 17 wounded
Notice a pattern? Nearly every shooting with an assault style weapon killed double digit people...
That's just a small sample, but the death toll...
I'm sure there are other factors that probably explain why the correlation isn't exact.
But the fact that even with such different laws and situations there is a correlation proves the point.
Nothing would get republicans to agree to gun laws faster than more protests like this:
This is true even outside the US. In the Port Arthur massacre in Australia, the guy used an AR-15 too.
10 wordsHow did I know I would invoke a reaction out of you from just one simple word?
I simply confirmed I am a pleasure to be around , however too bad for you that you do not make the short list of people I chose to spend time with
I also confirmed you are not my buddy as you seem very confused about that
Aren't you one of the guys who complains when race is brought up?
p.s. The Buffalo shooter pled guilty this week to state charges, admitting that white supremacy and replacement theory were his motivation.
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You are confusing yourself
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so you would be very naive not to speculate? or you are not speculating and therefore naive ?
lets focus on the latter
So no amount of gun control legislation will stop the problem you hope to address
my previous sentence was "
#2 Your objective is to control guns not to prevent mass murders- that is messed up"
that does not define my position on gun control
since you are so confused i will clarify for you
Legal gun owners are not the problem
If you take the courses, apply for a license and use the fire arm responsibly , (hunters , farmers, target shooting & personal protection in the US ) the govt should not punish you
no amount of gun banning will stop criminals and lunatics from killing other people
The fool Justin Trudeau is seeking to ban all kinds of guns used by hunters and farmers, while ignoring where the problem is (illegal guns in the hands of gangbangers. illegally impoerted into Canada )
do you mean the looting , anarchy and arson which occurred in Chicago, St Louis and St Paul ?
looting and arson are not minor offenses
taking guns away from legal gun owners is no solution
you think lighter sentences , more social workers defunding the police and fairy dust is going to stop Gangbangers and lunatics from killing/
You are self deluding
