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Four Mass Shooting Truths To Shut Down Your Liberal Family Members At Thanksgiving Dinner

bver_hunter

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"The left likes to pull some gun-grabbing chicanery at this point. They are happy to point out the 600-plus mass shootings but conveniently leave out that most are drive-by, drug-related, gang-related, or just pointless party shootings. Again, this omission is likely due to the race of those spreading mad brass around our major cities. The commies will scream about the number of mass shootings (because it fits the narrative) while conveniently forgetting to mention who is pulling the triggers, as this wouldn’t work with the liberal brainwashing scheme."
You seem to be repeating the Fox News narrative by trying to deflect these mass shootings with those of gangs and drugs cartels etc. How are these gangs and drug cartels obtaining these guns? That is because it is just a walk in to these gun stores in order to obtain these weapons for their regular killings. No one is condoning it, but the retarded guns laws is why the USA has the highest per capita shootings among the advanced nations. The right wingers are stuck in the 18th and 19th century with regards to these guns laws. They are the real brainwashed individuals. That is why mass shootings in the USA will keep on occurring on a regular basis. The Republicans have zero solution as to how to tackle it!!
 

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You seem to be repeating the Fox News narrative by trying to deflect these mass shootings with those of gangs and drugs cartels etc. How are these gangs and drug cartels obtaining these guns? That is because it is just a walk in to these gun stores in order to obtain these weapons for their regular killings. No one is condoning it, but the retarded guns laws is why the USA has the highest per capita shootings among the advanced nations. The right wingers are stuck in the 18th and 19th century with regards to these guns laws. They are the real brainwashed individuals. That is why mass shootings in the USA will keep on occurring on a regular basis. The Republicans have zero solution as to how to tackle it!!
Go read post 14 again.
 

Darts

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Okay, below is Post # 14:

What is your issue with it?
Oh shit. Damn typo. I meant post #4 where the poster seem to be saying that the 600 (more or less) mass shootings is inflated by " it includes every shooting where there are 4 or more victims. So that includes gangland shootings like drug deals gone wrong. Or family murder suicides."
 

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Oh shit. Damn typo. I meant post #4 where the poster seem to be saying that the 600 (more or less) mass shootings is inflated by " it includes every shooting where there are 4 or more victims. So that includes gangland shootings like drug deals gone wrong. Or family murder suicides."
So you're trying to turn this into a race thing?
'Gangland shootings'?

The logic is easy.
Less guns = less shooting.
 

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Go read post 14 again.
Gangbangers easily obtain guns by having stooges with no criminal records by them, by purchasing them privately after the initial sale or by stealing them. Guns are simply too easily acquired in the USA.

USA also has a "gun culture" where anger and rage issues are simply converted into killings.
 

JohnLarue

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Gangbangers easily obtain guns by having stooges with no criminal records by them, by purchasing them privately after the initial sale or by stealing them. Guns are simply too easily acquired in the USA.

wrong , gangbangers obtain guns anyway they can via the black market , but they do not generally pay retail via stooges or wait until the stooges application is processed

you are re delusion if you think government gun control will stop criminals from obtaining weapons


USA also has a "gun culture" where anger and rage issues are simply converted into killings.
you are even more delusional if you think you can implement cultural change via government regulation

it is written right into the USA constitution , Americans have the right to arm bears (or bear arms)
 

dirtydaveiii

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wrong , gangbangers obtain guns anyway they can via the black market , but they do not generally pay retail via stooges or wait until the stooges application is processed

you are re delusion if you think government gun control will stop criminals from obtaining weapons




you are even more delusional if you think you can implement cultural change via government regulation

it is written right into the USA constitution , Americans have the right to arm bears (or bear arms)
I was in a gangbang and there were no guns involved.
 

krealtarron

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What is needed is ammunition and access control. This is what I propose.

Control who can access weapons through strict licensing procedures. If we can conduct driving tests and written tests to assess knowledge before issuing a DL, we can do the same for firearms licenses too. Require them to take professional classes/courses in firearm safety/shooting before qualifying to apply for a license. Make sure each person applying for a license is also given a thorough psychiatric evaluation.

Control how much of what type of ammunition someone possesses. No open or conceal carry. You can possess certain calibres and certain quantity of said calibres at home for home defence. No self reloading. You only get to shoot other calibres (like the AK47 bullets), at firing ranges - make it possible to buy those bullets in whatever quantity at the firing ranges, but people cant leave with leftovers - they need to be turned in. You should not be able to bring in bullets of any kind, rather you need to purchase all bullets at the firing range and use them up (or return them for a refund at the firing range). If you own a ranch, you cannot convert a part of it into a firing range. No public sales of regulated ammunition types in stores and even with ammunition that is allowed, only a certain quantity can be purchased at one time, which will be tracked through your license as you will be required to scan it at any store you buy them and once you buy ammunition, you cannot buy more unless you provide proof of use, through a police report.

I think with controlling ammunition, who has access to guns, where they get to use it, you can bring gun related violence down. I mean a mass shooter maybe be ale to legally procure a weapon but not the bullets to use them.
 
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bver_hunter

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Oh shit. Damn typo. I meant post #4 where the poster seem to be saying that the 600 (more or less) mass shootings is inflated by " it includes every shooting where there are 4 or more victims. So that includes gangland shootings like drug deals gone wrong. Or family murder suicides."
Well, then My Post #21 addresses these shootings that are directly related with the most relaxed laws with respect to guns and the sales of them in the USA. That is why the gangs and drug cartels readily get their hands on these weapons!!
 

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wrong , gangbangers obtain guns anyway they can via the black market , but they do not generally pay retail via stooges or wait until the stooges application is processed
Gangbangers like this?
Another mass shooting.

 

krealtarron

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wrong , gangbangers obtain guns anyway they can via the black market , but they do not generally pay retail via stooges or wait until the stooges application is processed
Gangbangers are not the target for gun control legislation. Crime should be handled differently.

Gun control legislation should be to tackle mass shootings and other types of crimes committed with legally purchased firearms. Even though mass shootings may not be the majority of gun related deaths, it results in the deaths of vulnerable people - children, minorities (race motivated), lgbtq etc and also create a very insecure environment. Not to mention the cultural messaging and significance some of these hate crimes carry.
 
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JohnLarue

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Gangbangers are not the target for gun control legislation. Crime should be handled differently.

Gun control legislation should be to tackle mass shootings and other types of crimes committed with legally purchased firearms. Even though mass shootings may not be the majority of gun related deaths, it results in the deaths of vulnerable people - children, minorities (race motivated), lgbtq etc and also create a very insecure environment. Not to mention the cultural messaging and significance some of these hate crimes carry.
that is so misguided
Obviously mass murders have mental health issues
If someone is deranged enough to go on a mass murdering spree they will not be stopped by gun control legislation
They will use a knife , a car, explosives , chemicals or something else .


What I find very disturbing is your opening statement

Gangbangers are not the target for gun control legislation. Crime should be handled differently.
Where do you think all the illegal guns come from ?
Organized crime and/ or street gangs

And exactly how would you suggest preventing crime by gangs ?
More social workers?
 
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bver_hunter

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So you're trying to turn this into a race thing?
'Gangland shootings'?

The logic is easy.
Less guns = less shooting.
Precisely, and that is why the USA has more than 5 times as many gun killings / deaths as compared to Canada. The USA's Gun Laws are stuck in the 18th Century. Apparently, it is "written" into their Constitution. Time for the Americans to wake up to reality as they have the worst per capita deaths among the Advanced Nations. Even France that comes second has less than 1/3 of the violent gun deaths. At least they are keeping on trying to address these killings, and that is why the deaths from gun violence had dropped significantly from close to 3000 in 1998 to around 1600 in 2016.
 

krealtarron

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that is so misguided
Obviously mass murders have mental health issues
If someone is deranged enough to go on a mass murdering spree they will not be stopped by gun control legislation
They will use a knife , a car, explosives , chemicals or something else .

What I find very disturbing is your opening statement

Where do you think all the illegal guns come from ?
Organized crime and/ or street gangs

And exactly how would you suggest preventing crime by gangs ?
More social workers?
Let them use a knife. Or a car, or explosives. We can deal with it then. Currently they dont. The current issue is primarily with guns. So we have to address the current issue, not speculate on what they might or might not do.

You obviously dont agree with gun control legislation, so you should have no problem with my statement that crime has to be handled differently.

Crime has various reasons - poverty, systemic racism, overt policing causing more imprisonments which consequently churns out hardened criminals who continue their crime spree etc., That is a bigger conversation than gun control to curb mass shootings.
 
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