Guys, come on! JC, Dutchie and Oracle know what they are talking about!!! It's all here and it was just a friendly gathering and not inspired by Trumpy! A peaceful march to the Capitol. You damn lefties are blind, BLIND I TELL YOU!!!!!
DOJ quietly acknowledges there was no sedition at the US Capitol
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ROFLMFAO!! Where did I say it was peaceful? But, they didn't burn down the Capitol, either.
The real tragedy of the last 4 years is that people who might otherwise be relatively sane and intelligent take truly moronic positions just to support their fearless leader. It is impossible that any thinking person could truly believe the big lie. The breadth of the idiocy of the posters you mentioned is truly breathtaking.
Only in the sense that the elected representatives of the people work there, not that a bunch of yahoos can bash through the windows, enter by force and threaten lives. You are still trying justify sedition and murder! WOW!
I know that nuance is not something you are familiar with, or even understand as a concept, but I'll indulge you for a moment. The simple truth of what happened on capital hill is this:
a) The vast majority of people came to the protests intending only to demonstrate, some at the speeches, and others outside of Capitol Hill. A large number of people were/are angry about the lack of integrity of the Presidential election, not because Trump told them to be, but because they believe it to be true.
b) A small number of people intended to see if they could confront police and/or breach the Capitol. None of these people had a cogent plan to do so. Some of these people were Trump supporters, some were anti-government types on both the right and left of the political spectrum.
c) An inexplicable decision not to reinforce Capitol police created an opportunity for the small group of agitators to cause breaches in the security perimeter.
d) After the perimeter was breached, many police either fell back or completely abandoned security of the Capitol.
e) Most people who crossed the perimeter didn't even realize it had been broken by force.
f) Again, a small group breached the entrance to the Capitol There was very little police resistance to their efforts.
g) Most people who entered the Capitol had no idea it had been breached by force. Most people who entered had no cogent idea as to what they intended to do inside, apart from the idea that their presence would become known to lawmakers. A large number of them walked around like tourists, taking pictures.
h) A small number of people committed vandalism.
i) A small number of people engaged in physical confrontations with the police.
j) Those who penetrated the Senate Chamber acted like Larpers, taking pictures and behaving like teenagers trying to be "edgey".
k) No protesters killed or seriously injured police or other protesters. A small number of protesters did assault and/or physically engage with some police officers. No lawmakers were harmed or even confronted.
l) One police officer shot and killed an unarmed protester. No charges have been laid against that officer.
m) The intruders all left the capitol within a couple of hours of the breach without need for police or military force.
n)Not one of the intruders made any statement to the effect that they had seized control of the government, or that they would retain control of the building until their political demands were met.
This was not a seditious event. Some laws were broken. Some in the crowd are more to blame than others. A small number of people with delusional ideas may have thought they had masterminded something, when in fact it was simply stupid policing that allowed anything more than yelling outside the Capitol to take place.
The Democrat and media take on what happened is about 90% political spin.
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This comment alone proves you are 1)delusional 2) hypocritical and 3) consumed by your fanatical ideology.
Maybe eventually you might come to understand the facts, but probably far too late to do you any good.
So your legal defence is that there are black criminals too?
How do you think the crime of stealing from a store compares to the crime of trying to stop Congress from governing?
Oh, you're funny. Did they stop them from governing? Maybe AOC can "revise" her story and tell us how she was interrupted just when she was at the threshold of inventing a perpetuum mobile device to solve the climate crisis. Looting and burning does not compare to a garden variety political riot. Burning and looting is infinitely worse. Violent riots produce real victims not some bartender congresswoman claiming PTSD or whatever her story was.
I know you hate when I quote you directly and respond, but you sort of leave me no choice making a list like this.
We start with a few problems. The first is "vast majority". This may be true, you would have to show the count of people at the rally, then at the capitol, and also show some evidence of how many people thought they were there to demonstrate. I do suspect the majority at the rally thought they were only there to stand around, I am less sure of "vast". The second problem is, of course, "not because Trump told them to be". He was, in fact, a key driver insisting that was the case. He was supported by right wing media. That they ultimately believed him isn't separate from he told them to believe him. You're pushing a very blurry line as being quite sharp.
All three of these are very dubious and unsupported claims. How small a number "intended to see if they could confront police and/or breach the Capitol"? How many of that number, even if small, intended to use the rest of the crowd to accomplish this? What makes you think "none of these people had a cogent plan to do so" given the evidence we've already seen? Please show us the anti-government types on the left of the spectrum? (These do exist, but what evidence do you have they were there?)
An unexplained one, not inexplicable. That we haven't heard more about this remains a problem.
Fell back to where? Who abandoned security of the Capitol?
Evidence for this claim?
What do you consider "very little"? There were pitched battles in numerous areas of the Capitol, but the police did retreat as they grew increasingly outnumbered.
Trump called the election fraud even before the election. He definitely charged up his dumb followers with lies of the steal..... and a cop was killed ( Dutch Oven "forgot" that in his review of the days events.). Some were chanting "hang Pence". I think any who entered the building should do a couple years in prison. The rest were just there for a celebration of dumbness.
Even with clear cut video and audio the radical right dig their gullible heads into the sand and claim it was just a peaceful demonstration. LMAO
I've never said this. You must be confusing me with someone else. A sign that you're spending too much time here.
