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DOFO to invoke notwithstanding clause over elections act court ruling

Butler1000

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So... instead of Unions funding 3rd party attack ads on their own, they will donate to charities who provide 3rd party to the 3rd party attack ads.
They do now. Working Families Coalition as an example.
 

Anbarandy

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Anbarandy

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When an entity doesn't have to report where it git its money that's the definition of dark money. What's your definition?
Everyone knows teacher's unions fund Working Families Ontario except you.
 
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Frankfooter

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All kinds of sputtering opinion there. Now can you give a legit reason why any dark money entity should have unlimited spending privileges up to six months before an election with no donor transparency?
There was the exact same limit, $600,000, before Druggie went postal on our democracy.
Its not 'dark' money either, since we know exactly where its coming from and how much it is.
 

Anbarandy

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The judge got it wrong.
The superior court justice got it right and until a higher court overturns that judgement, it stays right.

That is how the judicial system, the constitution and democracy works except when you have a political despotic sore loser in power.

And please for the love of delusion, tell us how, why, when, where you have absorbed so much more constitutional expertise than this superior court judge.
 

Butler1000

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And that, my deluded friend IS ruled constitutional.
Lol. The length of time is solely a function of opinion. Whether its a year, 9 months, 6 months, 3 months, whatever the use of money hasn't changed. The constitution doesn't say anything about how long. Just whether it can be done.

Why is 6 months constitutional but 7+ months not?
 

Butler1000

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The superior court justice got it right and until a higher court overturns that judgement, it stays right.

That is how the judicial system, the constitution and democracy works except when you have a political despotic sore loser in power.

And please for the love of delusion, tell us how, why, when, where you have absorbed so much more constitutional expertise than this superior court judge.
He is as human as any politician. It was imo a partisan decision.
 

Butler1000

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Everyone knows teacher's unions fund Working Families Ontario except you.
Right.....how much? They won't say. And also if other entities fund them as well. That's dark money. Why don't they officially report? What are they hiding?
 

Valcazar

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Since Butler seems unable to articulate a clear point about the law or what part of it was challenged or why, only repeat the Ford Government's messaging on it, I again ask someone to find me a copy of the ruling so I can actually read the arguments for myself.

I really had grown spoiled with the recent habit of people linking to the court papers and I can't understand why it seems no one in Toronto media is doing this.
 

Butler1000

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Since Butler seems unable to articulate a clear point about the law or what part of it was challenged or why, only repeat the Ford Government's messaging on it, I again ask someone to find me a copy of the ruling so I can actually read the arguments for myself.

I really had grown spoiled with the recent habit of people linking to the court papers and I can't understand why it seems no one in Toronto media is doing this.
Because if they actually linked the ruling the stupidity of it would be clear

You can still spend the dark money. You still have a limit how much. But you have to spread it out by 6 more months. Thats it.

Where is the problem? Why is 6 months constitutional but more not? It makes no sense. And that's why beyond the opposition and some partisans no one cares.

Do you really care that large private entities can't spend unlimited cash for six extra months before an election?
 

Anbarandy

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Lol. The length of time is solely a function of opinion. Whether its a year, 9 months, 6 months, 3 months, whatever the use of money hasn't changed. The constitution doesn't say anything about how long. Just whether it can be done.

Why is 6 months constitutional but 7+ months not?
He is as human as any politician. It was imo a partisan decision.
Right.....how much? They won't say. And also if other entities fund them as well. That's dark money. Why don't they officially report? What are they hiding?
Because if they actually linked the ruling the stupidity of it would be clear

You can still spend the dark money. You still have a limit how much. But you have to spread it out by 6 more months. Thats it.

Where is the problem? Why is 6 months constitutional but more not? It makes no sense. And that's why beyond the opposition and some partisans no one cares.

Do you really care that large private entities can't spend unlimited cash for six extra months before an election?
Since Butler seems unable to articulate a clear point about the law or what part of it was challenged or why, only repeat the Ford Government's messaging on it, I again ask someone to find me a copy of the ruling so I can actually read the arguments for myself.

I really had grown spoiled with the recent habit of people linking to the court papers and I can't understand why it seems no one in Toronto media is doing this.
You and we don't need no "copy of the ruling" because as you and we can clearly see above your quoted post, Butler has graciously provided us with his clear, cogent and articulate points of law that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is right and the superior court judge is wrong.
 

Butler1000

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You and we don't need no "copy of the ruling" because as you and we can clearly see above your quoted post, Butler has graciously provided us with his clear, cogent and articulate points of law that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is right and the superior court judge is wrong.
So post a copy of the ruling that says differently than I said.

All that happened is the spending limit time was extended from six months to one year. Thats it. Imo that shouldn't be a constitutional question. Question the fact of a spending limit sure. Question the fact of any time limit sure. But once you establish those two are constitutional then its a matter of opinion of what they should be. And that should be decided by legislatures, not judges.

Thats why I said the judge was wrong.
 
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Dutch Oven

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Like the US constitution, and countless others around the world, it turns out that the wording of our constitution produces some unintended results, and needs amendment/bypass from time to time in order for core Canadian values to be implemented into law. In our case, the need to do so is in large part a product of the rushed and flawed process that Potato Senior foisted on all of us in order to secure some kind of legacy for himself. Since the Constitution offers an almost impossible amendment process, bypass will almost always be the only practical option.
 

Valcazar

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Because if they actually linked the ruling the stupidity of it would be clear

You can still spend the dark money. You still have a limit how much. But you have to spread it out by 6 more months. Thats it.

Where is the problem? Why is 6 months constitutional but more not? It makes no sense. And that's why beyond the opposition and some partisans no one cares.

Do you really care that large private entities can't spend unlimited cash for six extra months before an election?
You may end up being accidentally correct.
Given your track record, though, I am not going to just rely on your right wing talking points.
 

Butler1000

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You may end up being accidentally correct.
Given your track record, though, I am not going to just rely on your right wing talking points.
As it was my point from the beginning there is nothing accidental about it. And as the news has moved on from it's already limited coverage it was indeed a non issue except to a few Union SuperPacs. And thec parties that benefited from them.

Feel free to let me know otherwise.
 

nottyboi

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Whats to prevent unions from setting up new single issue orgs and donating to them?
 

Butler1000

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Whats to prevent unions from setting up new single issue orgs and donating to them?
Nothing, but isn't it interesting how reliant they are on dark money?
 
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