Documentary on Lea Tsemel, Israeli Lawyer Who Defends Palestinians, Wins Emmy
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Ah, so you wouldn't criticize Israeli 'settlers' trying to take Palestinian land and instead tried to switch the discussion to Palestinian kids near Jerusalem throwing stones?I love that you have been forced to contradict your repeated views. Every time we've discussed attacks on Jewish civilians, you don't condemn the attacks as terrorism but simply complain that the Jews were in the West Bank (despite your equality claims).
And still wondering why it is we both agree that Settlers targeting Palestinians civilians with rocks and firebombs is terrorism but you refuse to describe Palestinians targeting Israeli civilians with rocks or firebombs that way.
Jerusalem-area bus drivers fed up with stone-throwing
Bus drivers working in areas adjacent to Jerusalem are expressing growing concern over the threat of rocks being thrown at them, usually by Arab teens; the danger to them and their passengers is very real, as a loss of control could potentially lead to upwards of 50 people in a deadly accident.www.ynetnews.com
Jerusalem: Rocks Thrown at Light Rail, Bus
One person lightly wounded in two separate rock attacks in Jerusalem. Police searching for the perpetrators.www.israelnationalnews.com
Is it the same reason why you don't have an issue with the 50% of Palestinians who admit support for attacks on civilians inside Israel?
Throwing stones at civilians is bad, they should stop.
But not as bad as this, something you apparently refuse to criticize.
Israeli settlers attempt settlement expansion in Hebron
The Israeli anti-settlement group Peace Now is suing to stop the project, which it says is the first major expansion of the Jewish settlements in Hebron in two decades.
Of course you keep saying 'the settlements aren't the problem' even though they killed the two state solution and have left you defending apartheid.
Even now you refuse to criticize the ongoing settler colonialism that is destroying your dreams of a democratic Jewish state.
Why are you so happy to drive Israel further into apartheid?
. In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, Ehud Olmert said Israel was "finished" if it forced the Palestinians into a struggle for equal rights.
If the two-state solution collapsed, he said, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished". Israel's supporters abroad would quickly turn against such a state, he said.
"The Jewish organisations, which were our power base in America, will be the first to come out against us because they will say they cannot support a state that does not support democracy and equal voting rights for all its residents," he said.
Except I have routinely. And you still refuse to describe Palestinians who target random jews as terrorists and keep describing me as racist for calling Hamas a terrorist entity. To you settler youth throwing rocks will always be terrorists while Palestinian youth throwing rocks are just "kids throwing rocks" .
p.s. You're quoting the same Olmert who's peace offer should have solved the conflict if only the Palestinian leadership had any interest.
Still blaming the victims for the occupation?
If only Hamas were more polite they would have gotten a state.
If only Abbas also promised each firstborn they would have gotten a state.
Facts on the ground, basketcase.
You know its all about and still is all about facts on the ground.
That's why there still no talks, just this.
Israel announces plan for 1,300 homes across seven West Bank settlements
New projects add to thousands of illegal homes already declared for occupied territory in August
www.middleeasteye.net
Now all you've got is apartheid and the oncoming sanctions and boycotts.
Yes, the Palestinian leadership have a huge amount of blame by spending 100 years promising they can get rid of the Jewish presence, refusing to discuss peace, or refusing to negotiate.
But I understand that your colonial elitism has you thinking their opinions don't matter and someone (Israel) should just force them into a solution.
p.s. No surprise that instead of referring to Hamas terrorists as terrorists, you claim they are just not polite.
Zionism is colonialism, that's what you continue to back and defend.
You defend Israel building more war crime settlements, you defend Israeli leaders calling NGO's 'terrorists', you have defended shooting children in Gaza.
You are the colonialist here.
Just stop supporting apartheid and support equal rights.
So you've run out of bullshit and are simply trying to make up an argument.
I don't know what evidence they have for involvement in terrorism but it is quite clear that at least DCIP has terrorists on their board of directors. if the evidence shows them being used to fund or commit terrorism then they absolutely deserve to be described as such. If the evidence doesn't support direct involvement then they can still be charged for financial support. If there isn't that evidence then the listing is wrong. You keep saying that we shouldn't condemn Hamas until the ICC rules but here you are transparently blaming Israel without having a clue what the evidence says. But what would we expect from someone who instead of describing Hamas terrorists as terrorists claim they aren't "polite"?
It is also clear that the only group DCIP has ever condemned is Israel despite the many human rights violations under Hamas and PA rule.
And should we mention that Palestinians overwhelmingly reject your equal rights farce (but why would you ever care what Palestinians actually want)?
You attacked DCIP previously on the Gaza thread, calling them terrorists after they showed footage of IDF shooting children.
Now this, its not unexpected.
Its your next moral step into the hole, attacking NGO's and calling them 'terrorists'.
Its the same tactic used by Iran and despots around the world.
HRW, your enemy, how long before you call them 'terrorists'?
Israel/Palestine: Designation of Palestinian Rights Groups as Terrorists
Attack on the Human Rights Movement
“This appalling and unjust decision is an attack by the Israeli government on the international human rights movement. For decades, Israeli authorities have systematically sought to muzzle human rights monitoring and punish those who criticize its repressive rule over Palestinians. While staff members of our organizations have faced deportation and travel bans, Palestinian human rights defenders have always borne the brunt of the repression. This decision is an alarming escalation that threatens to shut down the work of Palestine’s most prominent civil society organizations. The decades-long failure of the international community to challenge grave Israeli human rights abuses and impose meaningful consequences for them has emboldened Israeli authorities to act in this brazen manner.
How the international community responds will be a true test of its resolve to protect human rights defenders. We are proud to work with our Palestinian partners and have been doing so for decades. They represent the best of global civil society. We stand with them in challenging this outrageous decision.”
No, I said that several people on their board are members of PFLP who Canada considers a designated terrorist entity. But why would you ever be honest.
And of course you demand we hold off on criticizing Hamas until the ICC investigates but you are happy to condemn Israel without even asking what evidence they have about those groups. As I said, we know that at least that group have direct involvement with terrorist members on their board. Maybe the ICC should investigate whether the evidence supports Israel's designation.
BTW. Are any of those 'rights' groups Israel mentions among the very few Palestinian groups that have condemned Hamas for their frequent use of death sentences and public executions?
That is the same charge Israel is now making, calling DCI 'terrorists' along with 5 other NGO's.
You appear to support this move.
You are now down to attacking human rights organizations in order to defend the apartheid you have argued for so long here.
Wow you really can't read and simply feel the need to demonize anyone who agrees with you. It really is a joke and a sign that you have some issues that need to be worked out.
I said it is clear that DCIP has several PFLP terrorists on the board of directors. Why are you so quick to condemn Israel without caring about the proof they claim to have but aren't willing to criticize Hamas even after your own rights groups call them out for war crimes and terrorism?
There are no reasons, its purely Israel trying to shut down criticism.
From the UN.
Other than they say they have proof the organizations are being used to launder money for a designated terrorists entity.
Because Israel is a free society, I'm sure this will go to their courts and the evidence will be evaluated.
Israel's intel 'dossier' for labelling 6 NGO's as 'terrorist' organizations has been published.
Secret Israeli dossier provides no proof for declaring Palestinian NGOs ‘terrorists’
A +972 investigation exposes a classified document that Israel hoped would convince European governments to stop funding Palestinian civil society groups.
www.972mag.com
The only 'evidence' comes from two Palestinian prisoners who were tortured.
Do you still back this decision?
Do you now back torture as well?
Yet all citizens, Jews, Muslims, or Christians participate in elections and all aspects of society including their supreme court and the governing coalition.
But that doesn't fit your obsession so you lie about it.
According to 972 at least. Actual news reports have Israel claiming to have evidence including video evidence including cash being passed to PFLP members.
Now in your stramanning, I'm sure you can show me the post where I said said they were right to. Oh wait, there are only posts admitting that I don't have the evidence other than knowing at least one of those organizations has PFLP members on its board.
You insist on waiting for an ICC investigation before criticizing Hamas (or Iran), but of course you have no problem condemning Israel based on anything you see or hear. And you're surprised when I call you out for the double standard described in Canada's definition of anti-semitism.
45% of those living under Israeli rule say its apartheid.
That is how define a free and democratic country?
The UN and B'tselem say Israel is apartheid in 4 ways, including inside the green line.
972 is Israeli, you don't trust Israeli media?
And they have the report.
Do you really support torturing people so that you can declare NGO's as 'terrorists'?
Do you really have no limits to what you'll back?
I love how you keep lying about this despite being shown the actual data.
BTW. Gaza and much of the WB are not under Israeli rule.
As for 972, they have an extremely clear anti-Israel bias so yes, I would want outside confirmation of their claims.
And I love how you keep demanding boycotts of Israel while you openly support some Israeli groups and companies.
