You're not the only one that pays taxes here, I pay taxes too and I think the police are doing a good job...I feel safe around them...
Do Black lives matter to Toronto's gangs?
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Great job taking my comment out of context. The question I was responding to was a general question not a specific case.
Which case are you even referring to?
No one is saying they should have a shrink with them on calls, that's ridiculous. I am saying they themselves should be trained better on how to cope with people who are mentally ill. How exactly do you think Doctors and Nurses handle mentally ill in the hospital? Hint, they don't fucking shoot them.
Which case are you even referring to?
No one is saying they should have a shrink with them on calls, that's ridiculous. I am saying they themselves should be trained better on how to cope with people who are mentally ill. How exactly do you think Doctors and Nurses handle mentally ill in the hospital? Hint, they don't fucking shoot them.
Doctors and Nurses don't treat mentally ill patients who are violent and/or armed until the Police or security have them under control. That may include using restraints so they don't harm themselves of anyone else. If they're still aggressive or unruly, they may inject them with a sedative. I've seen it many times.
You can argue that they should have more training, but when it comes to violent patients, Police and hospital security must get them under control before a Doctor or Nurse sees them. Considering the hundreds and hundreds of calls Police attend on a daily basis for aggressive and potentially violent mentally ill people, it's extremely rare that they shoot anyone.
Hospital security isn't always able to get to an inpatient before Doctors/nurses have to deal with it. You just said, they use restraints and sedatives. So maybe train the police to use these same tactics as well? Seems simple enough, and "rare" shootings is still too much. My point remains, human lives have value and doing extra "work" to learn how to save them is necessary.
I don't care what political side of the fence anyone is on, there is no valid argument against that ^ .
I don't care what political side of the fence anyone is on, there is no valid argument against that ^ .
You pay taxes to gangsters?
Plenty of other taxpayers don't feel safe around police. That doesn't change the fact that police have a responsibility to the community and deserve to be criticized in cases they don't live up to it.
When he was locked in his apartment by himself he absolutely wasn't a threat to anyone. He only became a threat when the cops decided they didn't want to wait for the crisis team and broke in through his balcony window....
LOL..... a mentally deranged person with a knife isnt posing a threat to anyone??
What bizarre, deranged world do you live in??
Or they talk them down.
BTW. Notice that you said security controls them, not shoots them?
There was a story recently about police getting paramedics to sedate unruly people with ketamine and the negative side effects.
Two strangers, with the same first name, and a terrifying story about ketamine in policing
Two men in Colorado were cuffed on the ground. Both were injected with tranquilizers against their will in police stops.
www.cnn.com
I am sure the "side effects" are still better than a bullet in the brain.
There was a story recently about police getting paramedics to sedate unruly people with ketamine and the negative side effects.
Two strangers, with the same first name, and a terrifying story about ketamine in policing
Two men in Colorado were cuffed on the ground. Both were injected with tranquilizers against their will in police stops.
They dont shoot them because they dont have guns
Thats fine, better training for cops is a good thing, just dont think thats gonna eliminate all shootings from here on out
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You dont know excactly what went down because you werent there when it all happened. If he had killed his wife or some other family member cops would have been criticized for that as well, and people like you wouldve asked why didnt cops go into the house to neutralize the suspect
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I would like to see you try to "talk down" an armed person high on drugs and/or having a psychotic episode. I've said it before, compared to the number of people Police interact with, all the armed and violent crazies, it's very rare they actually end up shooting anyone. On top of that, for the most part they were justified in using deadly force. If a Cop shoots someone when it wasn't warranted, they should go to jail. Just like anyone else.
None of the shootings we are dicussing were victims who had guns, either. No one is saying police shootings wont or should stop happening together. In hostage situations, there may be no other choice. But situations like the ones we have been seeing more and more of, again to swing back around, like mentally ill people who are alone in their home, there is NO excuse for killing them. None.
You dont know that because you werent there when it all happened.
You are armchair quarterbacking
A knife can be just as deadly as a gun. The last thing a Cop wants to do, whether it's justified or not, is shoot someone. It makes their life a living hell. Forcillo might be the exception.
There's been 363 shootings with 173 persons injured or killed so far this year in Toronto. Sure they have their issues but overall, the Cops aren't the real problem.
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You won't respond because you can't respond.
If you weren't there you have no idea what really happened, or whether the shooting was justified or not
Not sure what you mean by "plenty". I feel perfectly safe around police and no police person ever attempted to mug me.
