Sure, thats why I am saying people should get the vaccine. But you also have to take what they say with a grain of salt and not believe everything they say was my point.
COVID-19 vaccine uptake plunges in Canada
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It really doesn't come down to what they say as much as what most people's doctors prescribe or recommend. When you go to the doctor and you are given a prescription for yourself or a family member, I'm sure you don't ask who is the manufacture. You take the prescription to your pharmacist and are done.
Pharma companies pay doctors to prescribe their medication. I have consulted for big pharma, and the thing is their marketing and sales departments do not consider people like us to be customers. They actually consider doctors to be their customers because they are the ones that prescribe medication. This is per their definition not my interpretation.
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There are a number of ways drug companies can pay doctors for work, including delivering speeches and participating in clinical trials.
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I once did a focus group with customers for a big pharma company for their consumer insights team. The goal was not to analyze what side effects for example that a particular drug was causing (to hopefully make product changes), but to analyze how they could modify their marketing language that will persuade a person like you are or me to put that drug into our bodies regardless of the side effect. See what I mean?
So you have to take these things with a grain of salt. Just because your doctor or Pfizer recommend something doesn't mean you follow that advice without asking and educating yourself about side effects. You then make an informed decision on whether or not you want that particular treatment. The same rule applies to Covid vaccines as well. This is why although I recommend the vaccine based on personal experience, I dont diss someone who makes a decision to not get the vaccine. Its their body and their choice.
A good doctor and pharmacist always covers the side effects. I've never been one needing of prescription drugs except for the odd penicillin but I have been through the ringer with older parents and never ever were they issued medication without myself being informed of possible side effects at the doctor stage and then once again when I picked up the medication at the pharmacy.Pharma companies pay doctors to prescribe their medication. I have consulted for big pharma, and the thing is their marketing and sales departments do not consider people like us to be customers. They actually consider doctors to be their customers because they are the ones that prescribe medication. This is per their definition not my interpretation.
Big pharma paid $151M to doctors, hospitals in 2017-18, but we don’t know who got paid or why | Globalnews.ca
There are a number of ways drug companies can pay doctors for work, including delivering speeches and participating in clinical trials.
I once did a focus group with customers for a big pharma company for their consumer insights team. The goal was not to analyze what side effects for example that a particular drug was causing (to hopefully make product changes), but to analyze how they could modify their marketing language that will persuade a person like you are or me to put that drug into our bodies regardless of the side effect. See what I mean?
So you have to take these things with a grain of salt. Just because your doctor or Pfizer recommend something doesn't mean you follow that advice without asking and educating yourself about side effects. You then make an informed decision on whether or not you want that particular treatment. The same rule applies to Covid vaccines as well. This is why although I recommend the vaccine based on personal experience, I dont diss someone who makes a decision to not get the vaccine. Its their body and their choice.
I do agree with you that pharma clients are the providers of the medication.
I knew a girl who worked for Parke-Davis years ago. In the early nineties. She was telling me about all the incentives that her company would give to doctors to, promote shall we call it, her products. It was around then that I started to clue in on the for profit business that existed between the pharmaceutical industry and the allopathic system. Some time later another woman that I met who attended medical school and is now a MD, told me that the very first day of school they said to her to never forget this is a business.Pharma companies pay doctors to prescribe their medication. I have consulted for big pharma, and the thing is their marketing and sales departments do not consider people like us to be customers. They actually consider doctors to be their customers because they are the ones that prescribe medication. This is per their definition not my interpretation.
Big pharma paid $151M to doctors, hospitals in 2017-18, but we don’t know who got paid or why | Globalnews.ca
There are a number of ways drug companies can pay doctors for work, including delivering speeches and participating in clinical trials.
I once did a focus group with customers for a big pharma company for their consumer insights team. The goal was not to analyze what side effects for example that a particular drug was causing (to hopefully make product changes), but to analyze how they could modify their marketing language that will persuade a person like you are or me to put that drug into our bodies regardless of the side effect. See what I mean?
So you have to take these things with a grain of salt. Just because your doctor or Pfizer recommend something doesn't mean you follow that advice without asking and educating yourself about side effects. You then make an informed decision on whether or not you want that particular treatment. The same rule applies to Covid vaccines as well. This is why although I recommend the vaccine based on personal experience, I dont diss someone who makes a decision to not get the vaccine. Its their body and their choice.
Years later still my GP retired so I got a new one. He was a GP and a naturopath. We would talk a lot about Exercise, healthy eating, fresh air and sunshine. He informed that the last thing he wanted to do was to write a prescription. He held a very negative view towards big pharma. He really opened my eyes toward what was really going on. There's way more money in keeping people sick than actually helping them. God bless him.
When Websters changed their definition of vaccine to something that resembled the spike protein shot that's when I knew something was up. The lack of informed consent by Pfizer by not releasing their trial data till ordered by a judge was telling. The results even moreso. When doctors and scientists spoke out against it they were quickly censured. Then it became a team game. Sides were chosen. Freedom of autonomy over your body was being challenged by the collective.
I'd say about half the people I know very well didn't get the spike protein shot. Only one went to the emerg. She was sent home within 2hrs because her oxygen saturation rate was deemed sufficient. She was very sick for about 5 days and then had symptoms for about a month. Now she's fine. Another friend had it bad with the first wave but made it through but lost his sense of smell for about a year. Now he's fine. Incidentally they are both vegetarians. On the other side most of the persons I know who got the shot also got sick at one time or another as well. But no one made it to the hospital.
Not one person that I know regrets not getting the spike protein shot. I do know quite a few who regret getting the spike protein shot however. These people had a plethora of side effects within hours. Chest pains, shortness of breath, chills and fever. Most subsided within days but some developed tendonosis extremely bad in the injected shoulder only. Others have confided they have never felt the same since and are worried about the future of their health. They feel coerced and lied too.
It was never a my body my choice option
This is true. One other thing I know from working for these big pharma clients is that they have huge multi-billion dollar R&D divisions. They have lots of research and solutions for possible cures to ailments but will not release drugs they deem are non-marketable.
For example, lets say Pfizer comes up with a breast cancer chemo pill, and lets say they patent it. Say 5 years later, Eli Lilly comes up with a chemo pill for the same type of cancer but it improves on Pfizer's pill so that mortality is reduced by 30%. If the composition of the drug is such that they cannot release the drug due to the patent, then the drug becomes non-marketable and therefore, will be shelved. Despite the fact that 30% more people will die if they don't. Pharma companies have no conscience whatsoever.
Amen.....
I've read where there is so much that has been buried because it is not patentable it's astounding.
Lately I've reading a lot about peptides. Namely BPC157 and Thymosin beta 4. Of course they are sold for research purposely only, wink wink. Only matter of time before Health Canada shuts them down though.
In the states the FDA is the body that regulates the pharmaceutical industry. The problem is that it is funded primarily by the those same big pharmaceutical companies. Like what could go wrong...
Both my parents are elderly and immuno-compromised, so I'm 2x vaccinated and once boosted... Iwas about to get my 2nd booster (waiting for Moderna), but got COVID and then again (two times) in a span of 3 months (as per tests). FWIW, the first time was the worst as I got a wicked headache... The lack of smell is such a pain in the ass.
If people are like me, that would explain why they've not taken the booster... It would be that they've been infected (repeatedly)...
If people are like me, that would explain why they've not taken the booster... It would be that they've been infected (repeatedly)...
Same. Yeah it was the precise reason why I got 3 shots. My mother is immuno-compromised and I'd be damned if she got infected or worse because of me.
But I got COVID three times too after I got 3 shots. But all 3 times it was nothing more than a sniffle for a couple of days. The first time though I lost smell for like a month but thats about it.
FWIW, the wife is 2x boostered (4 shots), 3-4 weeks prior to me getting COVID. She got COVID after me but felt nothing other than a loss of smell... My youngest son got it like me, but just slept it off (milking it to avoid school). The eldest son experienced nothing and kept on trucking. I'm assuming I got it from them as I've been working like crazy at the office with no time to see SPs.
I'm treating vaccinations like training... They keep your body trained to fight off the virus. They are not a 100% shield, nor a cure.
I'm treating vaccinations like training... They keep your body trained to fight off the virus. They are not a 100% shield, nor a cure.
Covid hasn’t gone away we just have politicians that have lost interest, we’ve stopped tracking / testing for it and there’s no media frenzy around it.
btw. I played ball, got my shots, stayed home for 2.5 years, wore a mask etc.
After working downtown yesterday, seeing the bars swinging and the trains home packed. I’d say most folks have moved on and I’m not surprised by the drop in booster rates.
You still see the odd mask wearer here and there, so what, let them if it makes them feel comfortable or, if they have a cold etc, it’s not a bad practice moving forward.
even on this forum there’s only the same 5 members talking about it.
btw. I played ball, got my shots, stayed home for 2.5 years, wore a mask etc.
After working downtown yesterday, seeing the bars swinging and the trains home packed. I’d say most folks have moved on and I’m not surprised by the drop in booster rates.
You still see the odd mask wearer here and there, so what, let them if it makes them feel comfortable or, if they have a cold etc, it’s not a bad practice moving forward.
even on this forum there’s only the same 5 members talking about it.
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This is going to get worse.
There was no way the anti COVID vaccine push was going to stay limited to that.
They adopted a bunch of traditional anti-vax arguments and tapped into their network, but had the power of support from major figures leaning into it as a highly politicized issue.
It's no surprise it has boosted anti-vax across the board and will result in an increase in a number of other diseases as well.
The problem is that vaccines roll over into public health issues, not just individual health issues.
There is a balance there, obviously. We don't mandate the flu shot just as we don't mandate all kinds of health interventions.
The emergency of a novel virus changed the playing field, but it was always going to find some new equilibrium.
The people decided they were fine with a higher death rate and a lower life expectancy and there is a point where you can't fight that.
In Florida 1,700% increase in VAERS reports Compared to an increase of 400% in overall vaccine administration Reporting of life-threatening conditions Increased over 4,400% This is a novel increase Not seen during the 2009 H1N1 vaccination campaign There is a need for additional unbiased research, to better understand the COVID-19 vaccines' short and long-term effects. The findings in Florida are consistent with various studies that continue to uncover such risks.
Who cares?
We're talking about the general anti-vaxx movement and how the anti-COVID vaxx people have empowered them.
The problem is it won't be just them.
Herd resistance is by its very nature a numbers game and a public health issue.
Drop the vax numbers low enough and everyone becomes significantly more at risk.
