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COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker- Future is bright?

Ben19

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With COVID its hard to find anything positive to report. However, recently there has been alot of positive news on the vaccine front. There are also alot of mis information regarding the vaccines. As someone with alot of knowledge on the topic and whose been tracking these things I thought Id summarize some of the highlights here. Why here? well Im not proud to admit the hobby scene is one of my "communities" lol Other circles im involved in this knowledge is already known...

For those that dont beleive in vaccines or think its some sort of major conspiracy with microchips/5g/billgates or whatever else is trending now a days, Im not here to convice you guys. No amount of fact or discussion is going to alter a mind that is set and fed by alternative facts. This is for the others.


The current number of Phase 3/Early Approved vaccines: 16
Total number in Phase 1: 27
Phase 2: 14

Phase 3 is where the vaccine has shown to be safe with some immune response. In phase 3 the efficacy or effectiveness of the vaccine against the disease is being tested. It takes time because the goal is to induce long term/permanent immunity which cannot be known unless we wait and see. Other problem is you essentially are waiting for your participants to get exposed to the virus and see if its protecting them and that is hard to control in an ethical way.



Below is a summary of some of TOP contenders:


BNT162b2 by Pfizer/BioNTECH/Fosun
  • Collaboration between Pfizer, german company Biontech and Cinese company Fosun.
  • It is a mRNA vaccine and it needs to be given in TWO doses
  • Best published Evidence for its use: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.17.20176651v2
  • Clinical Trial page: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
  • Already rewarded major billion dollar contracts in the USA, EU and Asia.
  • Producing 1.3billion doses already
  • MAJOR problem with this: LOGISTICS. It needs two doses and also needs to be stored in -90C temperatures. As you can imagine this poses a logistical nightmare. The company has developed big boxes that will hold the vaccine at those temperatures but those boxes are expensive and only come in big portions. Small, rural and poor areas are going to have a problem
  • Personally, If I had to gamble on which one is going to be the most EFFECTIVE I would pick this. There are some reports that they are expecting long term efficacy results in November...

mRNA-1273 by Moderna/NIH
  • This alongside the pfizer vaccine are widely regarded as the top contenders
  • another mRNA vaccine so it needs to be given in two doses.
  • Published evidence mRNA-1273 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2022483
  • Clinical Trial page: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04283461
  • 30,000 people already in testing
  • 20 million doses already created but just got alot of funding to get more
  • Canada is invested in this one
  • The advantage of this vs the pfizer one is that it needs to be stored in -4C vs -90. But it is further behind in progress

AZD1222 by Aztrazeneca/University of Oxford

JNJ-78436735 by Johnson & Johnson

Sputnik V by Gamaleya Research Institute



There are more but these were the ones I wanted to highlight.

All projections currently are showing that we will have a few vaccines to choose from in the not so distant future. The logistics and polotics of them though will delay things even further.
 

JuanGoodman

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Same Pfizer that :

"Drug giant Pfizer Inc. has reached an $894 million deal to end most of the lawsuits over its two prescription pain relievers, the popular Celebrex and a similar drug, Bextra, no longer on the market"

and same Johnson & Johnson

"Johnson & Johnson has been ordered to pay $4.7bn (£3.6bn) in damages to 22 women who alleged that its talc products caused them to develop ovarian cancer."

???

I guess we have nothing to worry about then.
 

Ben19

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It is hard to find any big pharmaceutical company that has not run into issues before. Do we then reject all or science and medicine because of that ?


In science we never know anything with 100% certainty. 95% statistical certainty is the best case scenario. When you have companies making thousands of therapies of course some are gonna flop. What would be your suggestion then? No vaccine. Or only have small companies or brand new companies make them ?
 

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China has already vaccinated people in Wuhan... Russia has developed their vaccine and turkey has supposedly purchased vaccine from China

It’s already out there, not that I would trust either of those
 

jcpro

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It is hard to find any big pharmaceutical company that has not run into issues before. Do we then reject all or science and medicine because of that ?


In science we never know anything with 100% certainty. 95% statistical certainty is the best case scenario. When you have companies making thousands of therapies of course some are gonna flop. What would be your suggestion then? No vaccine. Or only have small companies or brand new companies make them ?
Let's see, according to the CDC, my chance of recovery is 99.5%. Excellent odds and something to consider before injecting myself with rushed research.
 

Ben19

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The Chinese and Russian vaccines were rushed from phase 3 to approval. That does not make them better than the other ones they just essentially are skipping steps. . Not much is known about Chinese one relative to others so I did not talk about it. The ones mentioned above with exception of Russian one have been very transparent with their science and so far so good.

Jcpro I wish people realize that this is a PUBLIC health issue not just a personal issue. Reality is the fastest way we will get back to complete normalcy is if we get a vaccine and if enough people use it. Unfortunatly perhaps the biggest challenge of these vaccines will not be the science it will be the public. People won’t even wear a mask in public ...
 
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JuanGoodman

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... I wish people realize that this is a PUBLIC health issue not just a personal issue. ...
I disagree, for me it's very much a personal issue. As much as I like you , I'm not going to get vaccinated with something that the pharma companies are rushing to produce, so they can make billions if they are first to produce them. Just to make you feel safe.
 

Ben19

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I disagree, for me it's very much a personal issue. As much as I like you , I'm not going to get vaccinated with something that the pharma companies are rushing to produce, so they can make billions if they are first to produce them. Just to make you feel safe.
Cant argue there. Your body your choice. While I dont agree with you your argument is reasonable. Why risk my body for something that is low risk to me. That is fair. I do not understand others arguments with the whole Bill Gates/Aliens/MicroChips/5g

Its just I hope enough people do the vaccinations so we can move on from this pandemic. Reality is we need to get herd immunity one way or another. At least with the vaccine route the most vulnerable have a way to get the immunity the safe(r) way. Do we wait for them to get COVID and be at the mercy of the virus or do we induce immunity through vaccines which yes not perfect have years of years of data to support their use. Worst case scenario for these vaccines being produced now are that they dont work. Chance of a major adverse reaction is almost 0 given that these mechanisms are not new. Most these top vaccines are dependent on mRNA or adenoid vectors which are the same mechanisms for other used vaccines.


I think with your crietria though there would be no vaccine that you would be willing to take it sounds like. No matter what they will be produced by big pharma thats how drugs are created , they are going through the scientific process though. Yes they make mistakes but also thanks to modern medicine we are not dying at age of 40 anymore . Also with public funding its hard to fund big projects like this. China and Russia are doing it mainly through public funding but ironically they are the sketchiest when compared to the private company products so far.
 
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Even if the vaccine is rushed, the distribution system will slow things down to a trickle. The most vulnerable will be vaccinated first, it will likely be a year afterwards that Joe Blow gets the vaccine, at that point much more will be known about the side effects of each vaccine.
 

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Cant argue there. Your body your choice. While I dont agree with you your argument is reasonable. Why risk my body for something that is low risk to me. That is fair. I do not understand others arguments with the whole Bill Gates/Aliens/MicroChips/5g

Its just I hope enough people do the vaccinations so we can move on from this pandemic. Reality is we need to get herd immunity one way or another. At least with the vaccine route the most vulnerable have a way to get the immunity the safe(r) way. Do we wait for them to get COVID and be at the mercy of the virus or do we induce immunity through vaccines which yes not perfect have years of years of data to support their use. Worst case scenario for these vaccines being produced now are that they dont work. Chance of a major adverse reaction is almost 0 given that these mechanisms are not new. Most these top vaccines are dependent on mRNA or adenoid vectors which are the same mechanisms for other used vaccines.


I think with your crietria though there would be no vaccine that you would be willing to take it sounds like. No matter what they will be produced by big pharma thats how drugs are created , they are going through the scientific process though. Yes they make mistakes but also thanks to modern medicine we are not dying at age of 40 anymore . Also with public funding its hard to fund big projects like this. China and Russia are doing it mainly through public funding but ironically they are the sketchiest when compared to the private company products so far.
Science out the window but if a radical president with no medical degree claims hydroxychloroquine works, most right wingers are ready to jump on it. LMAO
 

HungSowel

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One of the US vaccine candidates requires -60C to -80C storage, there is another US vaccine candidate that requires only -40C storage. It could turn out that large urban areas get the -60C to -80C vaccine and the rural areas get the -40C vaccine, in other words, it will look like democrats get one vaccine and republicans get another. Could turn out to worsen the already bad political divide.
 

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I disagree, for me it's very much a personal issue. As much as I like you , I'm not going to get vaccinated with something that the pharma companies are rushing to produce, so they can make billions if they are first to produce them. Just to make you feel safe.
And that's going to be the problem. As much as I I've had the flu shot for the past dozen years and will get a covid vaccine, I sure as hell will be sceptical of any vaccines that are rushed out by untrustworthy leaders like Xi, Putin, or Trump's election vaccine.

Even when there is a safe vaccine, I'm sure that there is going to be slow uptake.
 

lenny2

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Science out the window but if a radical president with no medical degree claims hydroxychloroquine works, most right wingers are ready to jump on it. LMAO
Who's on board for injecting disinfectant? ;
 

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China has already vaccinated people in Wuhan... Russia has developed their vaccine and turkey has supposedly purchased vaccine from China

It’s already out there, not that I would trust either of those
Looks like it works.

 
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