CNN's Pro-Palestinian Contributer Has Pro-Hitler Past

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Now that you've stated that settlers also act as 'terrorists', would you accept all settlers in the Occupied Territories being disarmed as well?
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WTF are you going on about now? Just another excuse for Hamas to stay in charge.

For the Palestinians to accept any peace, either Hamas has to accept Jews living in the Middle East or be disarmed and become a purely peaceful/political movement. Sadly you would rather keep Hamas terrorists armed and active in their genocidal aims. According to the UN, the PA is the legitimate representatives of the Palestinian people so there is no legal justification for Hamas to maintain its own army.

On the other side, Israeli authorities are describing militant settler attacks as terrorism and are going to destroy houses the same way they do for Palestinian terrorists. They have also made it illegal to be a member of Jewish terrorist groups to be illegal. While Israel is eventually trying to act on Jewish terrorism, Hamas still celebrates it and the PA pays salaries to anyone convicted by Israeli courts or terrorism.


p.s. It is pathetic that someone who describes themselves as pro-peace is so against a peace deal that met every condition of the Arab League with the exception of only a small number of refugees being allowed to become Israeli (which is pretty insignificant as very few Palestinians want to become Israeli in a peace deal). the most negative response from that offer should have been Abbas coming back with a counter-offer. Instead he just walked away.

But sure, keep pretending to be in favour of peace while making excuses for designated terrorist entities to remain armed and rejecting exceedingly reasonable peace offers.

 

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At this point, the majority of Palestinians are still against the two state solution you think should be forced on them.
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Which is a dumb stance for you to take since far more Palestinians support Two States over the elitist solution you want imposed on them.

 

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WTF are you going on about now? Just another excuse for Hamas to stay in charge.

For the Palestinians to accept any peace, either Hamas has to accept Jews living in the Middle East or be disarmed and become a purely peaceful/political movement. Sadly you would rather keep Hamas terrorists armed and active in their genocidal aims. According to the UN, the PA is the legitimate representatives of the Palestinian people so there is no legal justification for Hamas to maintain its own army.

On the other side, Israeli authorities are describing militant settler attacks as terrorism and are going to destroy houses the same way they do for Palestinian terrorists. They have also made it illegal to be a member of Jewish terrorist groups to be illegal. While Israel is eventually trying to act on Jewish terrorism, Hamas still celebrates it and the PA pays salaries to anyone convicted by Israeli courts or terrorism.

Of course your version of the two state solution requires all Palestinians to be disarmed but not the Jewish population.
That's just another formalized version of apartheid and an example of why the two state solution is dead.

And Israel's settler terrorism is now worse than Hamas, as reported by B'tselem, settlers are backed by the IDF. That makes settler terrorism a state venture which is fully supported by the state.
Including subsidizing settlers to colonize, or steal, Palestinian land that could have been the two state solution. What you say is horrible when Hamas does it you seem to support when Israel does the same.

Soldiers Attack Palestinians Defending Village After Israeli Colonizers Invaded It

Israeli soldiers invaded, on Saturday evening, a Palestinian village near the central West Bank city of Ramallah and attacked the Palestinians who were fend ...

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State-backed Settler Violence

www.btselem.org

 

[basketcase]

Of course your version of the two state solution requires all Palestinians to be disarmed but not the Jewish population.
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Amazing. I say designated terrorist entities and you straw-man to pretend I want something completely different (while still demanding that all settlers get treated as terrorists). And my opinion includes any settler group engaged in terrorism.

Why are you completely unwilling to admit Hamas is a terrorist group that has no interest in peaceful coexistence with Jews and that is a major stumbling block to peace? Instead you keep demanding Israel unilaterally try and impose a peace deal that most Palestinianians reject the concept of. Israel giving Palestinians full citizenship won't change the minds of Hamas, PIJ, or PFLP.

 

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Amazing. I say designated terrorist entities and you straw-man to pretend I want something completely different (while still demanding that all settlers get treated as terrorists). And my opinion includes any settler group engaged in terrorism.

Why are you completely unwilling to admit Hamas is a terrorist group that has no interest in peaceful coexistence with Jews and that is a major stumbling block to peace? Instead you keep demanding Israel unilaterally try and impose a peace deal that most Palestinianians reject the concept of. Israel giving Palestinians full citizenship won't change the minds of Hamas, PIJ, or PFLP.

Wait, so you don't think all settlers would have to be disarmed in a Palestinian state but that Palestinians living in a state of Palestine would?
You can't even accept that if Hamas existed in the state of Palestine that they should be allowed any weapons at all?

See, its still a form of apartheid, what you are describing is closer to bantustans than the two state solution.
You can't provide a map, you can't even provide a map of the borders of Israel as it is now.
But you can provide one rule, that in your two state solution only Palestinians are disarmed.

Your attitudes show exactly why BDS and sanctions are the best way to end apartheid.

Its a human rights issue, end apartheid.

 

[basketcase]

Wait, so you don't think all settlers would have to be disarmed in a Palestinian state but that Palestinians living in a state of Palestine would?
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Straw man at it's best.

Hamas is a group that is openly saying they will continue to use violence until the Jewish presence is gone. As long as they are armed (or until they disavow violence), there can be no peace. The militant settlers should also be disarmed. Thing is that they aren't heavily armed the way Hamas is. I have seen no reports of Settlers launching unguided rockets, no reports of of settlers attacking civilian vehicles with anti-tank weapons, no reports of settlers placing bombs on Palestinian buses or restaurants, and no reports of settlers driving by Palestinians at bus stops and gunning random people down.

Give it up. Hamas and other Palestinian factions are designated terrorist entities that are completely opposed to peace with Israel because that means accepting Jews in the region. Thankfully the world has anti-racist peace campaigners like you making excuses for racist rejection of the concept of peace.


And sorry but the UN is very clear about non-governmental militias. the UN considers the PA as the only legitimate Palestinian government so both now and in a Two State peace that you and Hamas hate, Hamas being armed would be as illegitimate as the anti-democratic militias in the US.

 

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Straw man at it's best.

Hamas is a group that is openly saying they will continue to use violence until the Jewish presence is gone. As long as they are armed (or until they disavow violence), there can be no peace. The militant settlers should also be disarmed. Thing is that they aren't heavily armed the way Hamas is. I have seen no reports of Settlers launching unguided rockets, no reports of of settlers attacking civilian vehicles with anti-tank weapons, no reports of settlers placing bombs on Palestinian buses or restaurants, and no reports of settlers driving by Palestinians at bus stops and gunning random people down.

Give it up. Hamas and other Palestinian factions are designated terrorist entities that are completely opposed to peace with Israel because that means accepting Jews in the region. Thankfully the world has anti-racist peace campaigners like you making excuses for racist rejection of the concept of peace.


And sorry but the UN is very clear about non-governmental militias. the UN considers the PA as the only legitimate Palestinian government so both now and in a Two State peace that you and Hamas hate, Hamas being armed would be as illegitimate as the anti-democratic militias in the US.

The two state solution you propose is just more apartheid.
You can't define borders of Israel now, can't define what reasonable borders of a two state solution might look like.
There are no talks and your starting position appears to be that you think settlers living inside what should be Palestine shouldn't have to live under Palestinian laws.
You make the case very strongly that you don't think a Palestinian state should be allowed to have any form of self defence.
Your 'two state solution' is a farce, its totally hopeless.

All you're doing is making the case that BDS and sanctions are the only way to end apartheid and bring peace.

Israel is headed for an unmanageable one-state solution, warns ex-IDF chief

The Palestinian youth are a ticking "time bomb" with a lost generation increasingly making the Israeli occupation more challenging to sustain, says one of Israel's highest military officers.

www.trtworld.com

 

[basketcase]

The two state solution you propose is just more apartheid.
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Wow that's dumb. The only apartheid under a Two State peace is from the Palestinians who refuse to allow Jews to live in their land no matter how ancient the Jewish communities in Hebron and Jerusalem are. More excuses from Mr. pro-peace for rejecting peace options.

And still you refuse to comment on how peace can be accomplished when groups like Hamas refuse to accept it?

 

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Wow that's dumb. The only apartheid under a Two State peace is from the Palestinians who refuse to allow Jews to live in their land

See, even as you support the Law of Return and refuse the Right of Return, which you call an 'immigration' issue, you then turn around and say that Palestinians wouldn't be allowed to impose the same 'immigration' rules under your form of the two state solution.

Its just more apartheid.

Under your form of the two state solution Palestinians can't make their own laws.
That's just apartheid in the form of Banthustans.

 

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See, even as you support the Law of Return and refuse the Right of Return, which you call an 'immigration' issue, ...

Yes, it is an immigration issue, not an actual legal right. The PA can also have whatever immigration laws they want.

In the actual world and under any peace plan, Arab Israelis would be able to remain in Israel (because they want to ... you know, self-determination) while the Palestinian state rejects any Jews, even the non-zionist communities that inhabited Hebron and Old Jerusalem for centuries. The PA still has it as a capitol offence to even sell land to Jews but that racism seems to escape you.

But keep strawmanning my views on peace because otherwise you'd be forced to admit that a negotiated peace deal, agreed upon by both sides is the only option. But I'm sure it sounds good in your head to force Israel to force the Palestinians into a One state peace completely rejected by the Palestinian leadership and people.

 

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Yes, it is an immigration issue, not an actual legal right. The PA can also have whatever immigration laws they want.

In the actual world and under any peace plan, Arab Israelis would be able to remain in Israel (because they want to ... you know, self-determination) while the Palestinian state rejects any Jews, even the non-zionist communities that inhabited Hebron and Old Jerusalem for centuries. The PA still has it as a capitol offence to even sell land to Jews but that racism seems to escape you.

But keep strawmanning my views on peace because otherwise you'd be forced to admit that a negotiated peace deal, agreed upon by both sides is the only option. But I'm sure it sounds good in your head to force Israel to force the Palestinians into a One state peace completely rejected by the Palestinian leadership and people.

The Right of Return is an actual basic human right. Different from the Law of Return, which is an immigration rule based on race.

In an actual peace deal, we don't know what would happen and what both sides would agree to.
All we know is that at present, every single settlement is considered illegal and in Palestine.
That and every Israeli PM for the last decade or so has said they won't give up any of it, with the latest saying they don't agree with the two state solution at all.

Which leaves BDS and sanctions as the non-violent way to end apartheid.

Certainly you haven't presented any other realistic option.

 

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The Right of Return is an actual basic human right. Different from the Law of Return, which is an immigration rule based on race.
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The Right of Return for Refugees says that refugees that want to can return to their original homes when conditions allow. The conflict is ongoing and the vast majority of Palestinian refugees or their descendants don't want to become Israeli. Again, it says nothing about forcibly deporting refugees.

But since you want to talk about the UN Convention on refugees, I'm sure you're willing to acknowledge the responsibilities of host states including giving refugees the opportunity to assimilate instead of keeping them locked in camps reliant on mainly Western charity.

Trudeau blasts BDS movement as anti-Semitic

Canadian premier says boycott group targets Jewish students, demonizes Israel; some things 'aren't acceptable, not because of foreign policy, but because of Canadian values'

www.timesofisrael.com

 

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Certainly you haven't presented any other realistic option.

Other than a negotiated two State peace as endorsed by Canada, the Arab League, and the UN? I know you hate the idea of peace but most Palestinians hate what you want to force them into.


Sadly your suggestion is forcing Israel to impose a solution on the Palestinians that the Palestinians don't support and we both know your interest has nothing to do with helping Palestinians.

 

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The Right of Return for Refugees says that refugees that want to can return to their original homes when conditions allow. The conflict is ongoing and the vast majority of Palestinian refugees or their descendants don't want to become Israeli. Again, it says nothing about forcibly deporting refugees.

Fine, let all those Palestinian refugees return to Palestine, as recognized by the UN 1947 borders.
Give them citizenship and the vote and equal rights.

It would have been so much easier had Israel settled for a two state solution a few decades ago.
Now?

 

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Other than a negotiated two State peace as endorsed by Canada, the Arab League, and the UN? I know you hate the idea of peace but most Palestinians hate what you want to force them into.

The majority of Palestinians are now against the two state solution, were it even possible.
That ship has sailed.

So now its a campaign to end apartheid, as you knew was coming.
Its a human rights issue like the BLM movement.

 

[basketcase]

Fine, let all those Palestinian refugees return to Palestine, as recognized by the UN 1947 borders.
Give them citizenship and the vote and equal rights.
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Are you going to give them a choice in the matter because very few Palestinians seem to want either a One State peace or to become Israeli.

And amazing that you reject a option because it's supported by just under half of Palestinians while pushing a farce that only 6% want.

 

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Are you going to give them a choice in the matter because very few Palestinians seem to want either a One State peace or to become Israeli.

And amazing that you reject a option because it's supported by just under half of Palestinians while pushing a farce that only 6% want.

Of course you're against the refugees returning as well, even if it were to Palestine.
I keep trying to put out options for a possible two state solution and then you keep saying its impossible.

So the two state solution is out.
We're left with the de facto one state apartheid solution.

Which means its time for sanctions and boycotts to end apartheid.

 

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Of course you're against the refugees returning as well, even if it were to Palestine.
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You mean actually listening to what Palestinians say? Polling of refugees and people under UNRWA care says a single digit percentage would want to become Israeli in a Two State peace. Similarly, a single digit percentage of Palestinians prefer a One State peace. Not to mention that one of the Palestinian governments outright rejects any permanent peace that includes Jews in the region.

Typical western elitist telling non-white people what they should hope for.