Canadian soldier says the war in Ukraine is going very badly
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Hitler could not manage to invade GB in 1940 when GB essentially did not have an army. The RAF and the RN were too strong. They were both a lot stronger in 1942. Britain was impregnable. The British navy was literally about 50 times the size of the Kriegsmarine.
And Britain and the US won the Battle of the Atlantic without Russia. In fact, no Russia = no Murmansk convoys and all those destroyers and corvettes are escorting in the North Atlantic, not the White Sea. That helps Britain. Russia is a negative in the sea war.
It would be if it were voluntary. The USSR forces were led by idiots who used sheer numbers to overwhelm the Germans. They didn't have enough rifles or ammunition, so they gave one dude a gun, the other five rounds. when one died, the other collected the resource. And, if anyone tried to retreat, they would be executed or machine-gunned down. I'm not saying there were no heroic moments and what not, but if you know anything about WWII, you know the Soviet officers treated the soldiers like cannon fodder.
At what cost? Considering the Russians killed 70+ % of them How many Canadians, Americans and Brits woulda died. BTW Finland was on the side of the Germans, so were parts of Ukraine, Romania. Sweden aided them, as did the Swiss. etc etc. Also if USSR fought alongside Germany, it would NOT Have been pretty.
On the flip side the Germans would have had a lot more bombers free and they started deploying the Fritz X missile in 1943. This missile would have savaged allied shipping if the really had the resources to focus on the sea war. Also they would have had access to Russian oil.. and that would NOT have been good.
one of them said "maybe in response to calls for oil embargo we should tell the west we would use nukes if they don't buy a certain amount of oil ". On the state TV. Not psychotic at all.
Yes that’s what you see on tv here. All of the responses in stuff like that is cut out in your free country
Still no win. Firing unguided missiles at convoys from FW-200's is a low probability hit. And those convoys would have had mini escort carriers with a dozen or so old fighters if air attack was ever a serious threat.
And oil doesn't build you a navy. And Nazi Germany didn't have a surface navy, aside from a handful of destroyers and large raiders, which spent the entire war hiding from the RN. More bombers = more spitfires. With better armament and tactics.
Solovayev is on air every evening and that shit is just continual ranting about nuking the west and mass executing Ukrainians and shipping them to death camps. 70% of Russians watch that "news" show.
and they love it. It is officially a country of genocidal degenerates at this point.
Fritz X was a guided missile. Just 2 hits sank the massive Italian battleship Roma
Some get wet fantasizing about poison gassing thousands of Ukrainian civilians and soldiers hiding in underground bunkers.
Invading russia in september in summer uniforms didn't help.
The uk wasn't really at much risk once Germany opened up 2 fronts. What with the US and the entire commonwealth to back them up.
Didn't do much sinking when the Allies invaded Normandy, did it?
In fact, I don't think any Allied ships off the Normandy coast got sunk at all. Certainly not by Fritz-X missiles.
Come to think of it, notty, no Allied convoy ships got hit by Fritz-X missiles either. Which proves your argument is nonsense. The Germans had the missiles and they had bombers. But no convoy hits.
The Fritz x was a radio guided missile, the operator had to have a constant view of the target to engage.
I believe it as first used at Salermo in fall of 1943?, anyways after 1 ship was sunk and a few others damaged the allies found it was radio controlled and by January of 1944 had introduced radio signal jamming equipment, nullifying the threat.
There were no ships hit after early 1944.
I was going to suggest that it was likely not worth using such a cutting edge weapon against merchant ships anyway. What you needed against the convoys was mass conventional weapons - i.e. U-boats and torpedoes - for mass kills, not a super-expensive one-off weapon.
That's what they're calling it now. Attacking civilians. Bombing their cities and villages to rubble. Booby trapping fields and houses as they retreat. Raping and torturing women and children. Kidnapping the populace and putting them in "filtration camps" Russians resort to heroism when they fail at everything else.
That certainly wasn't the feeling at the time.
Keep in mind everyone thought Ukraine would be flattened within weeks, yet here we are in month 3. Inevitability is only as good as the partial picture we have. This is a royal embarrassment to Russia and all that military modernization they did which looks to have just been a way for oligarchs to siphon off money for yachts and vacation houses.
And how is Ukraine fighting for nothing? They're fighting for one of the best reasons there is to fight! A defensive war to protect their sovereignty and right to self-determination.
