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Three charges of wanton endangerment sounds fairly reasonable.
I understand why people want charges directly related to the death, but the evidence does seem that what caused all this was being absolutely fucking careless and indifferent to human life.
Not sure about how the other two weren't charged, though. That seems like bullshit.

The other real problem is that none of the people involved in granting the shitty warrant or in covering up the crime scene are being charged.
 
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Three charges of wanton endangerment sounds fairly reasonable.
I understand why people want charges directly related to the death, but the evidence does seem that what caused all this was being absolutely fucking careless and indifferent to human life.
Not sure about how the other two weren't charged, though. That seems like bullshit.

The other real problem is that none of the people involved in granting the shitty warrant or in covering up the crime scene are being charged.
The only issue being that the charges have to do with people in the apartment next door who were nearly hit by stray bullets.
None of the charges have anything to do with Taylor's death.
 

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Three charges of wanton endangerment sounds fairly reasonable.
I understand why people want charges directly related to the death, but the evidence does seem that what caused all this was being absolutely fucking careless and indifferent to human life.
Not sure about how the other two weren't charged, though. That seems like bullshit.

The other real problem is that none of the people involved in granting the shitty warrant or in covering up the crime scene are being charged.
Harder charges would be laid in a traffic accident against a civilian if they showed the same reckless behavior.

Or if they were a white suburban couple.
 

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Harder charges would be laid in a traffic accident against a civilian if they showed the same reckless behavior.

Or if they were a white suburban couple.
I usually agree with you but not here. What should the officers be charged with? They knocked first. Walker acknowledged that. He didn't answer. He said he thought it was a home invasion. That doesn't plan the smell test. Who knocks when they are about to commit a home invasion? They break the door down and one officer is shot first. The return of fire is obvious. From reports I read Taylor was shot while lying in bed. From what I can glean the officers couldn't see into the bedroom. They didn't know where she was. They were shooting back at Walker. The one officer that was charged was appropriate. The others were justified in shooting. The issuing of the warrant and the evidence and information to obtain it is another story. They botched that completely and somebody should be held accountable.
 

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I usually agree with you but not here. What should the officers be charged with? They knocked first. Walker acknowledged that. He didn't answer. He said he thought it was a home invasion. That doesn't plan the smell test. Who knocks when they are about to commit a home invasion? They break the door down and one officer is shot first. The return of fire is obvious. From reports I read Taylor was shot while lying in bed. From what I can glean the officers couldn't see into the bedroom. They didn't know where she was. They were shooting back at Walker. The one officer that was charged was appropriate. The others were justified in shooting. The issuing of the warrant and the evidence and information to obtain it is another story. They botched that completely and somebody should be held accountable.
The cops didnt identify themselves as cops. That is the problem. They thought it was the ex boyfriend.

And yes they do knock during a home invasion. Its a lot easier to get in when someone opens the door.

Would you say it was justified if a member if your family was killed, all because an ex boyfriend was a drug dealer? By all accounts she was a good person, no record, not in the relationship, and in factva first responder training to be a nurse.

Would you say "oh well?" And just move on?

They key is the first sentence. Isnt it?
 

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The cops didnt identify themselves as cops. That is the problem. They thought it was the ex boyfriend.

And yes they do knock during a home invasion. Its a lot easier to get in when someone opens the door.

Would you say it was justified if a member if your family was killed, all because an ex boyfriend was a drug dealer? By all accounts she was a good person, no record, not in the relationship, and in factva first responder training to be a nurse.

Would you say "oh well?" And just move on?

They key is the first sentence. Isnt it?
Actually they did identify themselves. That's what the AG of Kentucky said. He said there was also a witness who said they identified themselves. What home invaders would knock on a door in the middle of the night and wake up the residents? That's just stupid. Like I said I think someone should be held accountable but not the cops who shot. They were asked to carry out orders and were shot at. They did their job and followed protocol. Innocent people die everyday, such is life. Does Walker not hold any responsibility? His actions caused her to be shot. He didn't start the chain of events. That was poor police work by investigating offices. They started the whole chain of events but Walker's actions lead to Taylor being shot.
 

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Actually they did identify themselves. That's what the AG of Kentucky said. He said there was also a witness who said they identified themselves. What home invaders would knock on a door in the middle of the night and wake up the residents? That's just stupid. Like I said I think someone should be held accountable but not the cops who shot. They were asked to carry out orders and were shot at. They did their job and followed protocol. Innocent people die everyday, such is life. Does Walker not hold any responsibility? His actions caused her to be shot. He didn't start the chain of events. That was poor police work by investigating offices. They started the whole chain of events but Walker's actions lead to Taylor being shot.
The cops are lying. Its that simple. The AG of Kentucky is a political animal and protege of Mitch McConnell and heir apparent to his Senate Seat.

The authorites have made their choice. They will mow have to own the consequences in the streets
 

Gooseifur

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The cops are lying. Its that simple. The AG of Kentucky is a political animal and protege of Mitch McConnell and heir apparent to his Senate Seat.

The authorites have made their choice. They will mow have to own the consequences in the streets
Do you have proof that they are lying? They have a witness who corroborated the police's account. Is he lying too? Is the Grand Jury a political animal too. They refused to indict based on evidence not feelings. There are 12 grand jurors. They need at least 9 to vote for a charge. Are you saying that the jurors were political too? I think you're grasping at straws to hold the officers accountable when they did nothing wrong. Do you hold Walker accountable at all? He fired first. There is no such thing as self defence when shooting an officer first. I don't know where you dug that one up from. She was shot lying in her bed in the bedroom. That's proven. She was shot while lying down. They couldn't even see her. Had Walker not fired first she would still be alive.
 
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The cops are lying. Its that simple. The AG of Kentucky is a political animal and protege of Mitch McConnell and heir apparent to his Senate Seat.

The authorites have made their choice. They will mow have to own the consequences in the streets
Ding, ding, ding ...... GAGNANT/WINNER.

I saw the Kentucky AG press conference live and he did not pass the smell test. In fact he wreaked of laying a selective narrative to the press based on his selectively presenting a pro cop narrative to the grand jury to obtain the weakest and lamest of indictments.

It would not be surprising at all, that he withheld evidence upon evidence that would have led to much more serious indictments.

Pro Trump AG, the same AG who waxed poetically about the Swindling Bitch at the RNC convention.

What gave away his whole charade was his plea to those disappointed by the lame indictment to NOT listen to the voices of celebrities, the media and other leftist elitists

Pathetic.
 
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'' At a press conference, AG Daniel Cameron said a neighbor corroborated cops’ claims that they knocked on Taylor’s apartment door and announced themselves as police in the early hours of March 13. ''

I suppose the narrative promoting leftists will say that the neighbour is lying next,lol

Fact is according to a third party witness the police knocked and announced themselves before entering and then were fired upon.

At which point being in imminent danger they returned fire.

Thus todays findings. This one is pretty clear.

 

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Anbarandy

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'' At a press conference, AG Daniel Cameron said a neighbor corroborated cops’ claims that they knocked on Taylor’s apartment door and announced themselves as police in the early hours of March 13. ''

I suppose the narrative promoting leftists will say that the neighbour is lying next,lol

Fact is according to a third party witness the police knocked and announced themselves before entering and then were fired upon.

At which point being in imminent danger they returned fire.

Thus todays findings. This one is pretty clear.

11 heard no such "knock" nor announcement".

It is only clear when it is "believed" to clear, and right now it is not only not clear, but it is reasonable to believe that the Kentucky AG conducted a sham presentation before the grand jury.

The evidence collected in the 180 days since the killing, the portion of that evidence presented and the way that portion of the evidence was presented, but more importantly the portion of that evidence NOT presented to the grand jury by this sham AG must be released for any semblance of true justice that can be seen to be done.
 
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Three charges of wanton endangerment sounds fairly reasonable.
I understand why people want charges directly related to the death, but the evidence does seem that what caused all this was being absolutely fucking careless and indifferent to human life.
Not sure about how the other two weren't charged, though. That seems like bullshit.

The other real problem is that none of the people involved in granting the shitty warrant or in covering up the crime scene are being charged.
Not intimately familiar w the facts, but it sounds like a huge case of civil negligence - the cops were sent to the wrong house to execute a warrant in the middle of the night. They probably didn't knock or announce themselves, but they didn't have to, as it was a "no knock warrant".

The cops thought they were about to raid a dangerous, hardened, armed drug dealer. Instead they burst in on a scared-shitless ordinary Joe and his sleeping girlfriend. Joe fires because he thinks it's home invaders. One cop takes a slug in the leg. ALL the cops return fire because they think it's a shootout. They are completely incompetent as gunfighters and spray the entire neighborhood, missing the guy who nailed them and killing his sleeping girlfriend.

It's not deliberate homicide. It's massive negligence by 3 guys who would probably end up shooting each other if they were in Iraq or 'Ghan and superior officers who should never wear a uniform again. But negligence and incompetence is civil negligence, not criminal conduct. Hence the multi million $$$$$ payout to Breonna's family by the City.

An absolute fucking tragedy. I get a lump in my throat every time I see her photo. And a massive indictment on the inability of the cops - as if THAT comes as a surprise. But the decision not to charge is correct.
 

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Not intimately familiar w the facts, but it sounds like a huge case of civil negligence - the cops were sent to the wrong house to execute a warrant in the middle of the night. They probably didn't knock or announce themselves, but they didn't have to, as it was a "no knock warrant".

The cops thought they were about to raid a dangerous, hardened, armed drug dealer. Instead they burst in on a scared-shitless ordinary Joe and his sleeping girlfriend. Joe fires because he thinks it's home invaders. One cop takes a slug in the leg. ALL the cops return fire because they think it's a shootout. They are completely incompetent as gunfighters and spray the entire neighborhood, missing the guy who nailed them and killing his sleeping girlfriend.

It's not deliberate homicide. It's massive negligence by 3 guys who would probably end up shooting each other if they were in Iraq or 'Ghan and superior officers who should never wear a uniform again. But negligence and incompetence is civil negligence, not criminal conduct. Hence the multi million $$$$$ payout to Breonna's family by the City.

An absolute fucking tragedy. I get a lump in my throat every time I see her photo. And a massive indictment on the inability of the cops - as if THAT comes as a surprise. But the decision not to charge is correct.
Except for one point, the DA has said it wasn't a no-knock warrant.
They argue they did knock and Taylor's boyfriend and neighbours say they didn't.

If that's true, more charges are warranted.
Well, more charges are warranted regardless, too many extra shots and one death.
 
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