Ridiculous. We have no jurisdiction in Libya. This company has been operating with impunity you can't just look the other way. Election finance violations, bribes, kickbacks, fraud and not just in Libya. They have tarnished Canada's reputation in the global business community.
Breaking - Wilson-Raybould resigns from Trudeau cabinet in wake of SNC-Lavalin claims
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The problem for SNC Lavalin is that they have a bad reputation even domestically re: bribes. Eg: MUHC which is another legal problem for the company (with the the former CEO facing charges and other executives already pleading guilty. So it's not just in Libya. Again, the stupidity for Trudeau and his PMO (IF these charges are true about attempting to "obstruct justice" - and I personally think this is overblown) is why would they interfere when all the legal problems for SNC Lavalin pre-dated their time in office? They should have simply distanced themselves. Again, I think all the speculation is overblown and discussion is being taken for an attempt to "obstruct justice". That's why the Liberals should have an open, independent inquiry into this.
So because we have no jurisdiction in Libya, we should nail the Canadian company to the wall because it's easier right?
As previously stated, whether we like it or not, this is how business is done in a large part of the world. Canada can take the high road right into the poor house.
Quite frankly, I don't care if SNC paid off some Libyans to gain contracts in Libya. Such is the price of doing work and making money in Libya from Libyans. It does not affect Canadians or have anything to do with Canadian contracts.
MUHC is entirely different than than Libya as it's a Canadian issue. You had a Canadian company paying bribes to a Canadian resident who was demanding bribes. It has been investigated and fines and penalties have been meted out.
I'm big on going after the guy who expects to be paid off (i.e. bribed), not so big on going after the guy who is forced to pay a bribe or else.
I disagree that it's entirely different than Libya. It speaks to a corporate culture at SNC-Lavalin (from the CEO down) that in order to get things done, they have to grease the wheels. The company definitely needs to clean up its act - and it is a top down problem, not a case of a being a victim or being forced to pay a bribe.
Those jobs would not be lost, the infrastructure products in Canada still need to be done, those jobs would be redistributed to other firms, the resulting break up would increase competition and lower costs to taxpayers, and end a Liberal slush fund!
The issue here isn't SNC (not talking about one corruption event. this was over decades -- both abroad and in Canada.) 50k empolyees with 9 thousand only in Canada. It is about the allegation that the PMO pressured the Minister of Justice on an active criminal investigation and changing the CCC to benefit said company. That would be illegal and unethical. The heart of the issue here is the rule of law!
Opening up another ethical investigation to add to Trudeau's 4 already just isn't going to cut it this time.
You really think there are lots of firms that can just replace SNC? Even the larger ones like AECON which was deemed to strategic to sell to the Chinese is only 1/3 the size of SNC. SNC is about 60% of the size of Betchel, which is the largest US Construction company. Its really a company worth fixing and saving.
Yes I do. The employees would still exist. But again, this isn't about SNC, this is about the rule of law and the PM.
Which is why it would be perfectly natural for this to be discussed in cabinet. I think this entire matter is being overblown. At the very heart of the matter is why would the Liberals go to bat over crimes that occurred under another Govt's watch? For a Govt (Harper's) that appointed a lobbyist for SNC Lavalin to their Privy Council (Arthur Porter) and who was embroiled in controversy re: MUHC and who was charged and would have faced trial had he not died. It makes no sense. The Libyan bribes took place when Gaddaffi was alive and in power. YES, SNC-Lavalin has strong ties to the Liberals and Quebec - but these ties also cross party lines. So I can see why SNC-Lavalin would be discussed because it IS a significant Canadian (and Quebec) based corporation - but that is a far cry from obstruction of justice to save company executives from being charged with crimes that had nothing to do with the current Govt. Politically, that would be beyond stupid. Of course, that doesn't mean it didn't happen - but it makes no sense.
They said the same thing about the Avro Arrow. How'd that work out in hind sight?
Most of the major engineering firms in Canada are no longer Canadian. Over the last 20 years there has been a slow and deliberate consolidation in the engineering industry in Canada with foreign companies buying up Canadian firms. With the exception of WSP, they are all American owned and controlled with head quarters in the United States. The power jobs and the corporate taxes stay in the United States.
You will find that engineering can be done in any office and more and more engineering projects in Canada are being done in the USA. All they need is 1 local guy with his Ontario license, or one of the American guys can apply for his license in Ontario.
Right now, the American and Europeans and Chinese are cheering on "the Rule of Law" in Canada. No-one else would be so stupid as to destroy our own industry and hand it to the foreign competition on a golden platter as some naive Canadians.
Emmm ... what reputation are you talking about? Canada's reputation remains the same no matter how this case pans out.
Bit difficult that after NATO - including Canada - bombed them into oblivion and encouraged the murder of their leader.
Yup Canada is like the kid that gets his candy taken away, and our yellow press is there to make sure it happens.
No its about SNC and whats good for Canada. The law needs to be applied appropriately. This is the discussion that is alleged to have occured. No on eis suggesting that anyone tried to allow SNC to get off scott free.
On a practical level I agree with Captain Kirk. But we (almost always lefties) go around pounding our chest shouting "we are morally superior" and enact laws that bear no relationship to reality. SNC is one example. Here are some others.
1) Why is Quebec buying oil from Saudi Arabia instead of Alberta?
2) Why are we allowing people to enter our country illegally? It's the law.
3) Why are we paying a terrorist $10 million. It's the law.
4) Why did we arrest Ms Meng. It's the law.
5) Why do we allow people in who do not respect our values and culture. Instead they prefer to join ISIS or kill Canadian Tire employees? It's the law.
4)
1) Why is Quebec buying oil from Saudi Arabia instead of Alberta?
2) Why are we allowing people to enter our country illegally? It's the law.
3) Why are we paying a terrorist $10 million. It's the law.
4) Why did we arrest Ms Meng. It's the law.
5) Why do we allow people in who do not respect our values and culture. Instead they prefer to join ISIS or kill Canadian Tire employees? It's the law.
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What happened to the canadian tire golf swinger? Did the Groper give her 10 million yet?
Probably still pending.
If SNC goes belly up and thousands of employees lose their jobs we can take comfort knowing that we are morally superior. The good thing is that Trudeau the Younger might also lose his day job.
Free Jodi! Let her speak!
