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Okay, so if you're an out-of-towner hick, and you dont care where they put our next SkyDome, then WTF do you care??

I'm really upset aboot this, we have no new stadium, and even if we did, we got nowhere to put this darned thing
toronto needs a new gardiner express long before the blue jays need a new stadium. There is nothing wrong with Rogers center, and ya all us out of town "hicks" do nothing but subsidize those TO yuppies.
 

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MLB teams are learning to wait out free agent market. GMs have learned that every day the price drops:

https://www.royalsreview.com/2018/1...wait-out-the-free-agent-market-slow-offseason
This...

Last year when EE misread the market and ended up having to take a worse contract with Cleveland, it drove the price down for the all the other FA's.


I've been saying this for over a year, everyone thinks Bryce Harper is going to get like 500 million, I don't think he gets anything close to that. The market is definitely changing.
 

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This...

Last year when EE misread the market and ended up having to take a worse contract with Cleveland, it drove the price down for the all the other FA's.


I've been saying this for over a year, everyone thinks Bryce Harper is going to get like 500 million, I don't think he gets anything close to that. The market is definitely changing.
When the Yankees acquired Stanton and his contract, I believe Harper took a good sized hit. What Harper gets will be well over the ML average, he just won't be the highest paid athlete in the world. Kind of hard to feel sorry for him!
 

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If that is the plan, why did they just re-sign Josh? Unless they are going to deal him for rookies and prospects in the coming months?
Did you think they would choose the option to non-tender him and let him walk for free right now?
That has never happened to a team controlled player of his caliber.

They avoided a potentially contentious arbitration hearing by resigning him and as currently constructed are obviously miles better with him than without. Even if it is just to retain him as a trade chip at some point.

As for Grandy, he is the best OF they have. Cue the Pillar support. Quite simply he is not a very good major league hitter. (Pilar)
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Hey Phil.

Just wondering what your feelings are on what kinds of moves Cheepero will be making for 2018 from here on. Maybe not specific players but what kind of direction they will be taking. Are they serious or just bluffing about fielding a contender?
You wanna know what I think?? You wont like my answer though (I'm not sure I like it either).

Rogers will spend as little money as possible this year, and perhaps next year, while they shop the team around to a potential new owner. I believe thats why Shapiro was hired in the first place and why AA was fired. That way Rogers saves as much $$$ as they can while still milking the fans as much as possible (kinda like how they run their cable company).

Thats also why they just signed Donaldson for only one year because they probably dont think they'll own the team in 2019.

Thats the bad news.

The good news is maybe some rich oil s-h-e-i-k will buy the team and spend his petro dollars like crazy and win us lots of pennants. Kinda like how ManCity or PSG is currently run if you follow soccer.

Of course thats just my theory, and I reserve the right to be completely wrong :biggrin-new:
 

Phil C. McNasty

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As for Grandy, he is the best OF they have. Cue the Pillar support. Quite simply he is not a very good major league hitter. (Pilar)
I think the jury is still out on Pillar, but if he doesnt have a breakout year in 2018 you might be right
 

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This...

Last year when EE misread the market and ended up having to take a worse contract with Cleveland, it drove the price down for the all the other FA's.


I've been saying this for over a year, everyone thinks Bryce Harper is going to get like 500 million, I don't think he gets anything close to that. The market is definitely changing.
Seems the GMs are more heavily weighting the age related performance decline. Check out Jason Heyward’s
$184mm contract, a young FA. His OPS+ was 68 and 85 in the two years after signing the massive contract. He was benched for most of the Cubbies 2016 WS.

Harper is also young and I expect a huge contract if he has a decent healthy season.
Josh D is much older than BH so his contract will be limited. The Jays might have a chance to re sign him.
 

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Seems the GMs are more heavily weighting the age related performance decline. .


Big time. They don't want to touch you after the age of 36 right now. If your lucky, you keep having good years and keep getting one year contracts. Now that the PED era is over, not many guys play well after the age of 36. 38 year olds play like 38 year olds now. Guys might get more money per year, but you'll see much less long terms contracts going forward.
 

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I think Donaldson chose this path so he can have a productive year and negotiate from strength. As well it's a big FA year so hedging to be a better product next year.
What I am reading is Donaldson was looking for a long term deal from the Jays. The Blue Jays didn't want to go to arbitration so they settled on the 1 year deal. The Blue Jays are suggesting that because the long term deal is complicated, negotiations are on going.
 

Perry Mason

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Here
For all my fellow analysts and would be general managers, required reading: https://bluejaysnation.com/2018/01/16/theres-something-about-the-jays-offseason-moves-i-dont-think-were-talking-about-enough/

You don't sign or trade for 1 or 2 big guns unless and until the rest of the team is solid, just on the verge. 1 or 2 big guns very, very seldom turn a mediocre team into a contender.

The days when Steinbrenner simply bought all the talent are long gone... and the talent is much more expensive today. You guys may think spend the money and buy your way in to 2018, but smart executives always think long run. They expect to still be running a successful team in 2025!

As I said before, my admiration for Shatkins has grown progressively. I think their strategy is to go with what they have at least into early May and see if the team is on the verge of contending. If they think it is, they will spend and/or trade. They have a good inventory of major league talent with which to trade.

They and Rogers are not fools! They know that in Toronto and Canada, a winning team is a very solid, valuable franchise. They are not ego-driven multi billionaires who just want to have a toy! And I am sure someone there right now is thinking about how attractive the Blue Jays would be to a syndicate... like the Marlins, the Dodgers, etc...

For me, the fun part about baseball has always been how frequently the totally unexpected happens... so I always expect the unexpected... when all those well planned strategies are turned on their heads... a major, multi player transaction that totally changes the character of a team... the kind of moves that Pat Gillick pulled off so successfully more than once. :biggrin:

Perry
 

Phil C. McNasty

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We're basically fucked
 

Phil C. McNasty

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The days when Steinbrenner simply bought all the talent are long gone... and the talent is much more expensive today
Thats bullshit Perry!!

Just look at who the Yankees signed this winter, and then look who we signed.
If you can't see the difference you need help :rolleyes:
 

Perry Mason

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Thats bullshit Perry!!

Just look at who the Yankees signed this winter, and then look who we signed.
If you can't see the difference you need help :rolleyes:
The Yankees were clearly a contending team from 2017, before Stanton was acquired... precisely the point! :yo:

Perry
 

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Perry.....I hope you aren't suggesting Shapiro is in the same league as Gillick. "Stand Pat" knew what he was doing, you would have a hard time convincing me Shapiro does!
 

Perry Mason

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Perry.....I hope you aren't suggesting Shapiro is in the same league as Gillick. "Stand Pat" knew what he was doing, you would have a hard time convincing me Shapiro does!
Remains to be seen... but very difficult to compare... the game and the management strategies are so different from what they were in Gillick's years.

I am a great fan of Gillick's. He simply had a nose for picking out talent and putting teams together, like some of the old timers. And neither he nor they had access to the stats, analytics and Sabremetrics we have today.

And you have to admit that Shapero did a great job in Cleveland.

Perry
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You guys probably wont believe this, but Gillick lived on my street in Mississauga for a while (Jarvis st. & Dundas (Erindale area)).

Pat Gillick

As Toronto's general manager, Gillick won five division titles (1985, 1989, 1991, 1992 and 1993) and led the club to their first World Series championships in 1992 and 1993. Shortly after Gillick resigned in 1994, the Blue Jays went into decline, not finishing higher than third place until 2006, and failing to make the playoffs until 2015
 

Perry Mason

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Jays were a contending team when Shapiro got here ......and now?????
Since when does "contending" mean "must win"? And they did contend! In 2015. Largely on Donaldson's MVP year... not to minimize Bautista's, Encarnacion's and Martin's contributions!

Even so, they started falling apart very quickly after that, so they couldn't have been such a great team even then!

Perry
 
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