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Biden to rescind the Keystone XL pipeline extension permit on Day 1 of his presidency

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No one should be surprised about this. He said he was going to do it if he won, the same with the wall. Millions of unused infrastructure, just sitting there will go to waste. As they say, elections have consequences. If they unions were surprised, they are dumb. Trump, all the way through said this would happen. If a union member voted for Biden, they can blame themselves. Expect worse things to come in oil jobs in the US. Also, with the high unemployment, bad timing for people, especially, when the border gets flooded with unskilled labor crossings. Things are going to get worse. The only people not affected will be government workers, teachers, bums living in their parents basement, etc. The working class is as usual screwed! I am originally from Alberta, so I feel for them, but they should be use to it they have been screwed my both Canadian and US Governments for years.
 

oil&gas

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With regard to oil jobs the key to its recovery are
oil prices. Biden will not ban fracking entirely. He
will grant permit to drilling on federal land and
maybe in the Gulf of Mexico. That should not have
too much of negative impact on employment
in the oil sector in the near term.
 

AndrewX

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You would think Trudeau would have a stronger response than saying he's disappointing and showing his socks.
 

oil&gas

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I expect Trudeau the self-proclaimed climate change believer
to cheer Biden's commitment to emission reduction.
 

Ceiling Cat

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The Biden administration may be against the XL Pipleline ( Biden might wear out before his term is out ) Will a Harris/Yang administration be against it? ( You can't be having a white guy under a black woman, you know )
 

toguy5252

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Oh, relax people. It's only about 8000 high.paying union jobs that Biden killed. Who needs them, anyway? He can replace them with 32 000 Mexican landscapers and dishwashers working underground. Fuck the American workers! They're all white supremacists, anyway. It's pay back time, baby!
if you compare the job creation per unit if energy created renewable creates more high paying jobs than fossil fuel. Simply saying that jobs will be lost which is undeniably the case you have to measure the effect over time to see what the net effect on employment is.

I don't agree with the decision but that is the way democracy works. Well unless you can get your followers to storm the capital.
 

jcpro

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if you compare the job creation per unit if energy created renewable creates more high paying jobs than fossil fuel. Simply saying that jobs will be lost which is undeniably the case you have to measure the effect over time to see what the net effect on employment is.

I don't agree with the decision but that is the way democracy works. Well unless you can get your followers to storm the capital.
Spin. I'm not comparing anything. Biden eliminated 8-11 thousands high paying unionized jobs with a stroke of his pen. Another 50 k or so spinoff jobs in manufacturing and transportation will go, too. That's what Biden did- this great promoter and defender of the blue collar union jobs. Those are the facts, the rest is spin.
 

toguy5252

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Spin. I'm not comparing anything. Biden eliminated 8-11 thousands high paying unionized jobs with a stroke of his pen. Another 50 k or so spinoff jobs in manufacturing and transportation will go, too. That's what Biden did- this great promoter and defender of the blue collar union jobs. Those are the facts, the rest is spin.
You may be right. Come back in a year and see how many jobs have been created in renewable and the lets see what the net change is.
 

jcpro

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You may be right. Come back in a year and see how many jobs have been created in renewable and the lets see what the net change is.
Why wait? That's what was being said 20 years ago. The energy production went overseas, the "green" manufacturing to China, the blue collar union shops were savaged by the globalization and the "free" trade agreements with the Third World and the great working class champions like Biden or even our own Chretien hopped in happily into bed with the multinationals. I don't have to wait to see where this is going. This road we're on is a circuit.
 

toguy5252

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Why wait? That's what was being said 20 years ago. The energy production went overseas, the "green" manufacturing to China, the blue collar union shops were savaged by the globalization and the "free" trade agreements with the Third World and the great working class champions like Biden or even our own Chretien hopped in happily into bed with the multinationals. I don't have to wait to see where this is going. This road we're on is a circuit.
Apart from soem specious talking point why not deal in objective reality.


Renewable Energy Is Creating Jobs 12 Times Faster Than the Rest of the Economy
 

jcpro

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Apart from soem specious talking point why not deal in objective reality.


Renewable Energy Is Creating Jobs 12 Times Faster Than the Rest of the Economy
The objective reality is that, at a stroke of a pen by the self proclaimed union champion, 50k-70k workers will be out of a very well paying jobs. That's the hard, cold, objective reality. And that's just one project.
 

toguy5252

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The objective reality is that, at a stroke of a pen by the self proclaimed union champion, 50k-70k workers will be out of a very well paying jobs. That's the hard, cold, objective reality. And that's just one project.
Have you read my posts. i have not disagreed with that proposition. But it is also objective reality that the US and the world reduce their dependence of fossil fuels more jobs will be created than lost. There were also many jobs lost when buggy whip factories closed.
 

jcpro

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Have you read my posts. i have not disagreed with that proposition. But it is also objective reality that the US and the world reduce their dependence of fossil fuels more jobs will be created than lost. There were also many jobs lost when buggy whip factories closed.
Maybe, but I am a practical man and walking and chewing at the same time poses no difficulty to me at all. Go ahead, and develop the green energy, but don't destroy existing and viable jobs in the process. The decision to shut it down had nothing to do with the "green" jobs, economy or whatever else. It was a calculated political move and nothing else. You know that just as well as I do. The reasons behind it are irrelevant.
 

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Development of green energy on a massive scale with
phasing out fossil fuel as the primary objective is very
difficult if possible when crude is no longer abundant
and cheap. By denying the U.S. the steady supply of low
cost Canadian oil the U.S. is not going to have the robust
economy fueled by cheap oil that is essential for the
transition to renewable energy.
 

toguy5252

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Maybe, but I am a practical man and walking and chewing at the same time poses no difficulty to me at all. Go ahead, and develop the green energy, but don't destroy existing and viable jobs in the process. The decision to shut it down had nothing to do with the "green" jobs, economy or whatever else. It was a calculated political move and nothing else. You know that just as well as I do. The reasons behind it are irrelevant.
He is committed to reducing the dependence upon fossil fuels. he campaigned on that and it was central to his platform. Whether you or I agree he won and he is doing what he said he would do. That is the way democracy works. if he didn't you would be complaining that he was breaking a campaign promise.
 

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Alot of you leftist kids dont understand that oil is used for much more than transportation fuel.
 

oil&gas

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He is committed to reducing the dependence upon fossil fuels. he campaigned on that and it was central to his platform. Whether you or I agree he won and he is doing what he said he would do. That is the way democracy works. if he didn't you would be complaining that he was breaking a campaign promise.
And when people start complaining about high gas prices Biden
will likely open up Gulf of Mexico for deep sea drilling as well as
federal land for shale fracking. Democracy worked this way when
Macron had to cut his carbon tax.
 

Frankfooter

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Maybe, but I am a practical man and walking and chewing at the same time poses no difficulty to me at all. Go ahead, and develop the green energy, but don't destroy existing and viable jobs in the process. The decision to shut it down had nothing to do with the "green" jobs, economy or whatever else. It was a calculated political move and nothing else. You know that just as well as I do. The reasons behind it are irrelevant.
You think tobacco farmers didn't just move to different crops?
 

Frankfooter

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Alot of you leftist kids dont understand that oil is used for much more than transportation fuel.
Everybody knows that, plastics and other products will be around for a long time, and I'm not just noting they don't degrade.
Its just whether or not you burn them all up.
 
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