Ben & Jerry's to 'end sales of our ice cream in the Occupied Palestinian Territory'

[basketcase]

I guess you didn’t read his bio. He lives in Israel…....

Proof of your bullshit to justify your racist elitism. Even funnier as you just used an Israeli article written by an Israel as proof of something but now want to ignore a Palestinian human rights activist who was born in a UNWRA camp and worked for B'Tselem for years simply because exposes your agenda.

It's also just another case where you detest the people you pretend to support.

p.s. the only reason he lives in Israel is because in his human rights work, he criticized Israel and the PA. Seems the PA doesn't take kindly to that.

 

[masspref]

After reading all these, I'm switching to gelato. I'm not a frank supporter for many of his posts, but he ever so slightly edges out basketcase.

 

[Frankfooter]

Your buddy asked for one example of a Palestinian who's complaining. I gave him one. Just another case where you ignore Palestinians I guess.

And yes, I know several Palestinians, numerous Arabs, and many Muslims. We don't always agree with each other but I do them the respect of listening to their opinions.

I didn't ask you that.

I bet you have lots of Palestinian friends who all support your views on apartheid, the occupation and the settlements.
You sound like white supremacists saying they have black friends here, by the way.

Why do you care since you oppose a Two State peace anyway?

If you support a One State peace then you have no reason to oppose settlements unless they are on land owned by someone who opposes them. That's why I call you a fraud, you aren't interested in any improvement but simply want Jews gone from the Middle East.

I don't oppose the two state solution, don't lie.
The two state solution would have been the best option, but Israel has killed it through the settlements.

There have been no peace talks for years now, only more colonial settlers taking Palestinian land by force.
This last attack on Al Aqsa and Gaza showed Palestinians that Israel has no interest in the two state solution or peace.

So now they support violence, since its turning the world against Israel by showing how brutal and racist they are as the apartheid occupation.
Palestinians now support resisting the occupation

Congrats, this is what the war crimes you keep defending has lead to.


Support for the two-state solution stands at 39% and opposition at 58%;
but a majority of 61% believes that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to settlement expansion

3 Abandon the two -state solution and demand the establishment of one state for Palestinians and Israelis
1) Strongly support 3.1% 2.1% 4.7%
2) support 16.9% 19.6% 12.8%
3) oppose 50.2% 53.0% 46.0%
4) Strongly oppose 25.5% 20.6% 32.9%
5) DK/NA 4.2% 4.7% 3.5% 4

Resort to popular non-violent and unarmed resistance
1) Strongly support 11.8% 5.5% 21.2%
2) support 46.0% 50.7% 39.0%
3) oppose 31.2% 32.6% 29.1%
4) Strongly oppose 8.4% 7.6% 9.7%
5) DK/NA 2.6% 3.6% 1.0%

5 Return to the armed intifada and confrontations
1) Strongly support 22.5% 14.1% 35.2%
2) support 37.8% 36.3% 40.1%
3) oppose 30.1% 37.3% 19.2%
4) Strongly oppose 7.5% 9.9% 3.7%
5) DK/NA 2.1% 2.3% 1.8%



94% say they are proud of the performance of the Gaza Strip during the May confrontation with Israel while 6% say they are not. When asked about the main reason for being proud, 39% said they are proud because Gaza has delivered a military and rocket strike in defense of Jerusalem that demonstrated the weakness of the Israeli army; another 39% said they were proud because Gaza has brought the Palestinian cause back to forefront of Arab and international politics; and 13% said the reason they are proud is because Gaza has sacrificed and endured all the death and destruction while expressing patience and dignity in defense of Jerusalem.

 

[Liminal]

Proof of your bullshit to justify your racist elitism. Even funnier as you just used an Israeli article written by an Israel as proof of something but now want to ignore a Palestinian human rights activist who was born in a UNWRA camp and worked for B'Tselem for years simply because exposes your agenda.

It's also just another case where you detest the people you pretend to support.

p.s. the only reason he lives in Israel is because in his human rights work, he criticized Israel and the PA. Seems the PA doesn't take kindly to that.

In other words you can’t find a Palestinian in the Occupied Palestinian Territory who is feeling deprived about not having access to Ben & Jerry in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. That is who you referring to as suffering, right? Because the boycott only concerns the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

As per usual, you end up spouting that Afrikaner Apartheid model that makes blacks out to be the sufferers in the boycotts of South Africa. If there was no occupation and apartheid, there would be no boycott.

 

[danmand]

As per usual, you end up spouting that Afrikaner Apartheid model that makes blacks out to be the sufferers in the boycotts of South Africa. If there was no occupation and apartheid, there would be no boycott.

You nailed it.

 

[basketcase]

I didn't ask you that.
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Correct. That's why I didn't quote you when I posted about this Palestinian's view. Good to see you can remember what you posted eventually.

 

[basketcase]

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I bet you have lots of Palestinian friends who all support your views on apartheid, the occupation and the settlements.
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Unlike you, I give the courtesy of listening to people's views, something you might want to do when it comes to the Palestinians you claim to speak for.



What number is larger, 46%, 39%, 33%, or the 6% who want your elitist idea.

I also will hold people accountable for their views if I find them immoral. If someone I knew supported "attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel" like 52% of Palestinians, I would hold them to task for their disgusting support of terrorism. You on the other hand are incapable of treating Arabs as people capable of making their own choices.


But why would you ever care what the Palestinians actually want unless it fits your agenda of removing Jews from the Middle East.

 

[basketcase]

In other words you can’t find a Palestinian in the Occupied Palestinian Territory who is feeling deprived about not having access to Ben & Jerry in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. That is who you referring to as suffering, right? Because the boycott only concerns the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

As per usual, you end up spouting that Afrikaner Apartheid model that makes blacks out to be the sufferers in the boycotts of South Africa. If there was no occupation and apartheid, there would be no boycott.

You really are pathetic in your arrogance. you asked for a Palestinian, I gave you one with a long record of being a human rights advocate. Just another case where you fake human rights campaigners automatically dismiss opinions of the people you claim to speak for because it exposes you.


p.s. Are any Israeli hurt by this change of distribution? Maybe the one company with the licence will suffer but another will take it over. Israelis will see no impact because B&J will still be sold in Israel. Settlers and Arab Israelis who live in the WB will be slightly inconvenienced having to drive a bit further to go shopping if they even care for that brand. As usual, you guys get all giddy without even thinking about what this will accomplish.

 

[Frankfooter]

Unlike you, I give the courtesy of listening to people's views, something you might want to do when it comes to the Palestinians you claim to speak for.

Unlike you, I post the correct numbers with links to the full report.
This is from the latest, July 4 poll and it contains an actual link to the full poll.

(5) The Palestinian-Israeli Peace process and the new Israeli government:

• Support for the two-state solution stands at 39% and opposition at 58%; but a majority of 61% believes that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to settlement expansion
• 49% believe that armed struggle is the most effective means of ending the occupation while 27% believe in negotiations
• 70% are opposed to a return to negotiations with Israel without conditions
• A drop in support for the one-state solution in three months from 33% to 20%
• 54% are opposed to return to dialogue with the new American administration and 63% are opposed to return to negotiations led by the US
• Only 19% of the public believe the new Israeli government under prime minister Bennett will be better for Palestinian-Israeli negotiations compared to a Netanyahu government

This is from the previous poll:

33% supported abandoning the two-state solution and embracing a one state solution for Palestinians and Israelis.

But why would you ever care what the Palestinians actually want unless it fits your agenda of removing Jews from the Middle East.

My agenda is to end apartheid and support either equal rights or freeing Palestine.
You are the only one here who seems to be interested in ethnic cleansing and genocide, as 22% of US Jews say.

 

[jcpro]

You really are pathetic in your arrogance. you asked for a Palestinian, I gave you one with a long record of being a human rights advocate. Just another case where you fake human rights campaigners automatically dismiss opinions of the people you claim to speak for because it exposes you.


p.s. Are any Israeli hurt by this change of distribution? Maybe the one company with the licence will suffer but another will take it over. Israelis will see no impact because B&J will still be sold in Israel. Settlers and Arab Israelis who live in the WB will be slightly inconvenienced having to drive a bit further to go shopping if they even care for that brand. As usual, you guys get all giddy without even thinking about what this will accomplish.

Clearly B&J is not aware of the Israel's size. You can get from Jerusalem to Hebron well before your ice cream melts. Somehow I don't think there will be much appetite for B&J, anyway after this.

 

[basketcase]

Unlike you, I post the correct numbers with links to the full report.
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You mean you are a complete fraud who ignores what the Palestinian polling actually says.

Are you saying this isn't the actual polling data straight from PCPSR?

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2080%20English%20full%20text%20June2021.pdf

What is even more stupid is even if the interpretation you quote is valid, your version of democratic rights means doing what 6% (or 20%) of people want and ignoring what 46% (or 39%) want?

 

[basketcase]

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My agenda is to end apartheid and support either equal rights or freeing Palestine.

I love when you claim to support equal rights while ignoring the Palestinians choice to overwhelmingly reject your Victorian attempt to impose your own western views.

p.s. The only group proposing ethnic cleansing is your Hamas who are open about their desires.

 

[basketcase]

Clearly B&J is not aware of the Israel's size. You can get from Jerusalem to Hebron well before your ice cream melts. Somehow I don't think there will be much appetite for B&J, anyway after this.

I think they know very well that this PR move will have no impact on anything and what franky and the other BDS racists miss is that they aren't boycotting Israel.

 

[basketcase]

p.s. Franky, I see you ran away from your claims that Jews in the West Bank are legitimate targets and Hamas rockets are self defence.

 

[y2kmark]

After reading all these, I'm switching to gelato. I'm not a frank supporter for many of his posts, but he ever so slightly edges out basketcase.

Switching to gelato? Is Ben and Jerry's the only kind of ice cream they sell where you live? Gelato vs. ice cream is like CFS vs. BBFS - a lot better than nothing...

 

[masspref]

Lol you can't be that clueless. God bless bud. Tomorrow is another day

 

[Frankfooter]

I love when you claim to support equal rights while ignoring the Palestinians choice to overwhelmingly reject your Victorian attempt to impose your own western views.

p.s. The only group proposing ethnic cleansing is your Hamas who are open about their desires.

Only 13% of Palestinians think Israel is considering the two state solution.

More Palestinians think Israel supports apartheid than two states - poll

The results showed that, among those surveyed, 45% would consider Israel an apartheid state, while only 13% believe Israel to be serious about a two-state solution to the conflict.

www.jpost.com

Which means you're already stuck with the apartheid one state solution.

I think they know very well that this PR move will have no impact on anything and what franky and the other BDS racists miss is that they aren't boycotting Israel.

Sanctions ended apartheid in South Africa and sanctions will end apartheid in Israel.

p.s. Franky, I see you ran away from your claims that Jews in the West Bank are legitimate targets and Hamas rockets are self defence.

Oh god, do I have to say that if settlers act as civilians they should be treated as civilians and when they act as militants in armed attacks with the backing of the IDF they should be treated as militants every single day here? Have you read the latest report from Breaking the Silence which says that armed settlers attack Palestinians with the military support of the IDF? Those aren't acting as civilians.

New report details Israeli complicity in settler violence

A new report from Breaking the Silence has compiled the testimonies of former Israeli soldiers, documenting the ways protection for settlers was given.

english.alaraby.co.uk

The IDF has already said they think its ok to use indiscrimate weapons, so why is ok for Israel but not for Palestinians?

 

[Victor Lazlo]

Hard to believe. 7 pages and counting on ice cream as a weapon to bring down Israel. Too funny.

 

[Frankfooter]

Hard to believe. 7 pages and counting on ice cream as a weapon to bring down Israel. Too funny.

Israel has used their lobbyists to enact a few stupid laws that won't stand a challenge in court. The anti-BDS laws brought forth in a bunch of states may all get tested with B&J. So far, they've been ruled unconstitutional as against freedom of speech, each time they've been tested in court. Here in Canada, Bnai Brith has been pushing the IHRA definition of antisemitism, which says that criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but that won't stand in court either. They're all designed to try to stifle debate and keep criticism out of the press. In some ways it works as the Canadian media has not reported on the multiple reports on Israeli apartheid, but even so, social media has aligned the Palestinian cause as a rights and race issue along with BLM.

So yeah, that's why Israel's leaders accused Ben and Jerry of 'terrorism'.

 

[basketcase]

Only 13% of Palestinians think Israel is considering the two state solution.
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What a warped attempt to avoid reality. Doesn't change the fact that 46% support a two State peace and you want to ignore them for 6% that fit in with your elitist goals.


And yes, it's dumb of you to say a two state peace is impossible because Palestinians are guessing at what Israelis want.

Sanctions ended apartheid in South Africa and sanctions will end apartheid in Israel.

In case you missed it, they aren't sanctions on Israel, merely on the West Bank.