Belleville Ontario Declares Addiction, Mental Health and Homelessness Emergency

RZG

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Said it before I'll say it again, can't help those who can't help themselves.
For the large majority of the druggie/criminal/shitbag population it is a lifestyle choice. They don`t give a flying fuck about you or I when they leave dirty needles in a park or harass or assault or rob you or break into your car or home. Fuck `em... let them OD and die. I worked over 45 years and never took a dime in any kind of government assistance, and it paid off well. That was my CHOICE.
 

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For the large majority of the druggie/criminal/shitbag population it is a lifestyle choice. They don`t give a flying fuck about you or I when they leave dirty needles in a park or harass or assault or rob you or break into your car or home. Fuck `em... let them OD and die. I worked over 45 years and never took a dime in any kind of government assistance, and it paid off well. That was my CHOICE.
Have you struggled with various forms of mental illness or disadvantages or other lack opportunities?
 
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Why are you posting 'allocated' numbers instead of what DoFo actually spends?
That's like posting a list of how many sp's are going to see you for free this year and claiming you are the bestest on the board.
Why are you spreading false information about "cuts"?

I'll wait...
 

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Have you struggled with various forms of mental illness or disadvantages or other lack opportunities?
FWIW...yes. I`ve lived my entire adult life with Dysthymia and G.A.D. Also endured ten broken bones, several fractures, torn ligaments and a pile of stitches from many years of racing motocross, hockey and lacrosse. Now following cancer, abundant arthritic issues and spinal stenosis and disc and S.I. joint issues, I`m well acquainted with the things life throws at us. Some people just choose to give up or drop out, get drunk or stoned and want no accountability and blame everyone else, but we all race on the same track in the end.
 

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This is very ironic, Bellville used to be the recovery capital of Ontario there were meetings 24-7 dozens of sober houses. They used to say its was your last chance if you didn't make it there your probably going to die an addict or alcoholic
 

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FWIW...yes. I`ve lived my entire adult life with Dysthymia and G.A.D. Also endured ten broken bones, several fractures, torn ligaments and a pile of stitches from many years of racing motocross, hockey and lacrosse. Now following cancer, abundant arthritic issues and spinal stenosis and disc and S.I. joint issues, I`m well acquainted with the things life throws at us. Some people just choose to give up or drop out, get drunk or stoned and want no accountability and blame everyone else, but we all race on the same track in the end.
Well most of these mental health patients and druggies have encountered sexual abuse as a child. i understand there pain i was a victim too. At 12 years old i smoked weed to escape the flash backs and memories then for the next 20 years i got drunk a few days a week. Why because my brain can only handle so much pain from my traumas and thats exactly what most of these people are dealing with or physical abuse.
 

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Why are you spreading false information about "cuts"?

I'll wait...
Health care spending isn't increasing at the same rate as the population, we are experiencing cuts per capita.
You really do need everything explained to you.

 

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FWIW...yes. I`ve lived my entire adult life with Dysthymia and G.A.D. Also endured ten broken bones, several fractures, torn ligaments and a pile of stitches from many years of racing motocross, hockey and lacrosse. Now following cancer, abundant arthritic issues and spinal stenosis and disc and S.I. joint issues, I`m well acquainted with the things life throws at us. Some people just choose to give up or drop out, get drunk or stoned and want no accountability and blame everyone else, but we all race on the same track in the end.
For a lot of people living week to week on lower wages those types if injuries and illnesses are all it takes to put them on the street.
 

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Health care spending isn't increasing at the same rate as the population, we are experiencing cuts per capita.
You really do need everything explained to you.

Nice try. You narrative about cuts is misleading. I proved that with the FAO stats. You're wrong again.

If you think population is having negative impact then complain to the Feds for letting too many people in without a plan.
 

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now that's inhumane you better hope someone you love doesn't fall for addiction. I have news for you the friends I know that had car accidents and became dependable on oxys for nerve damage when the doctor PRESCRIBED them the pain was getting worse and wouldn't increase the dose these people turned to the street to take more. I dealt with nerve damage in my leg i cried for two days in pain telling the doctor I refused to take OXYS the pain was so bad I felt like I couldn't go on anymore in this shape I told my doctor I was petrified of getting addicted to oxys because it has seen the results from people. he ended up prescribing gabapentin and miraculously it took away the burning of my leg but here's the kicker this med made you not able to drive a car it made me take 4-hour naps and it totally fucked up my job. maybe others don't feel this way on this drug but I was a walking zombie for a year and a half just making it by a hair. So ya the options for pain meds for serious injury are pretty scary. and addicting.
Belleville Declares Addiction, Mental Health and Homelessness Emergency
Mayor Neil Ellis on behalf of Belleville City Council has declared a state of emergency for the growing addiction, mental health and homelessness crisis and resulting impact on emergency services, and is now calling on senior level governments for support.
Tri-emergency services in Belleville continue to respond to perceived and actual overdoses and, in many cases, are finding multiple patients at one time. On Tuesday afternoon, the largest number was 9 overdoses at one time, during one call for service.
“The past two days have exemplified just how critical the addiction, mental health and homelessness crisis has become in our community,” said Mayor Neil Ellis. “We, as a City, know that we are at the point where doing our best doesn’t cut it anymore. Our emergency services, health care system and municipal resources are being stretched to the very limits and we are close to a breaking point. We need serious action and support from senior level government to deal with this crisis and until we begin to see meaningful discussions on how to address the matter, I fear nothing will change. That is why we are calling on the Province and federal government for support. I urge our local municipal partners facing the same issues to do the same.”
An Emergency Declaration acts as a request for support from the provincial and federal government, and falls under Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act. The Act defines an emergency as a situation or an impending situation that constitutes a danger of major proportions that could result in serious harm to persons or substantial damage to property and that is caused by the forces of nature, a disease or other health risk, an accident or an act whether intentional or otherwise.
I have made my peace with the choices others have made for themselves, have seen friends live for years on pins and needles waiting for phone calls that their brother was dead. Calls from the police when he was arrested, yet again for some petty crime. Calls from the hospital that, yet again he had been admitted due to being hit by a car while on drugs, due to being robbed for drugs, hypothermia, on and on for 10 years until finally a visit from police that he was dead from an OD.

Have seen decent hard working people have their rental properties gutted by drug addicted tenants who tore out every copper pipe. They turned the house into a flop house for their other addict buddies. They destroyed the sink and toilet in the bathroom and just shat in the bathtub. By time my friends were able to get them evicted for nonepayment of rent the house was rendered unlivable and it cost them over 100k in repairs as during renovations the house was broken into and the contractor had several thousand dollars worth of tools, equipment and material stolen from the boarded up house.

So if they choose drugs over living then so be it. I also think about the daily mental trauma that first responders and ER staff have to deal with because of these fuckwits who clog the overly stretched and stressed ER departments. Just go to the morgue and be done with it.
 
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I have made my peace with the choices others have made for themselves, have seen friends live for years on pins and needles waiting for phone calls that their brother was dead. Calls from the police when he was arrested, yet again for some petty crime. Calls from the hospital that, yet again he had been admitted due to being hit by a car while on drugs, due to being robbed for drugs, hypothermia, on and on for 10 years until finally a visit from police that he was dead from an OD.

Have seen decent hard working people have their rental properties gutted by drug addicted tenants who tore out every copper pipe. They turned the house into a flop house for their other addict buddies. They destroyed the sink and toilet in the bathroom and just shat in the bathtub. By time my friends were able to get them evicted for nonepayment of rent the house was rendered unlivable and it cost them over 100k in repairs as during renovations the house was broken into and the contractor had several thousand dollars worth of tools, equipment and material stolen from the boarded up house.

So if they choose drugs over living then so be it. I also think about the daily mental trauma that first responders and ER staff have to deal with because of these fuckwits who clog the overly stretched and stressed ER departments. Just go to the morgue and be done with it.
basically you have zero empathy for the addict. thats why this country is in a crisis. they need rehab not jails. they need therapy not yelled or scolded to. If there fuckin parents raised them better the government wouldnt be left with so many damaged and bruised adults.
 
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Nice try. You narrative about cuts is misleading. I proved that with the FAO stats. You're wrong again.

If you think population is having negative impact then complain to the Feds for letting too many people in without a plan.
Health care is provincial.
Its all on DoFo.

Emerg closures, long lines at emerg, nurses leaving, contract nurses making more.....

The population went up but health care spending didn't match and now Ontario spends the least per capita in Canada.
And you cheer it on.
 

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FWIW...yes. I`ve lived my entire adult life with Dysthymia and G.A.D. Also endured ten broken bones, several fractures, torn ligaments and a pile of stitches from many years of racing motocross, hockey and lacrosse. Now following cancer, abundant arthritic issues and spinal stenosis and disc and S.I. joint issues, I`m well acquainted with the things life throws at us. Some people just choose to give up or drop out, get drunk or stoned and want no accountability and blame everyone else, but we all race on the same track in the end.
True but some don’t which is was the “point”. It’s not as simple as “choice”. Take people that are diagnosed with PTSD and it’s not reserved for just adults..Or simply don’t have the access to professional help, or support networks, or for that matter. Job opportunities. I’m pretty sure you and I grew up in a different era.
 
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FWIW...yes. I`ve lived my entire adult life with Dysthymia and G.A.D. Also endured ten broken bones, several fractures, torn ligaments and a pile of stitches from many years of racing motocross, hockey and lacrosse. Now following cancer, abundant arthritic issues and spinal stenosis and disc and S.I. joint issues, I`m well acquainted with the things life throws at us. Some people just choose to give up or drop out, get drunk or stoned and want no accountability and blame everyone else, but we all race on the same track in the end.
From 1 former lacrosse player to another, stay strong my friend.
 
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basically you have zero empathy for the addict. thats why this country is in a crisis. they need rehab not jails. they need therapy not yelled or scolded to. If there fuckin parents raised them better the government wouldnt be left with so many damaged and bruised adults.
Yes, after decades of helping those who wanted help and others who were happy to live their worst lives I have zero fucks to give. Narcan was supposed to be for emergency OD's no is just part of the drug taking regimen. There used to be a time that people would OD and have a come to jesus moment, now they OD get revived, OD and get revived again. Is time for triage save those that want it and leave those that don't. Yeah they need rehab but they need to want rehab, so long as they can rely on Narcan to save them they won't choose rehab.
 
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basically you have zero empathy for the addict. thats why this country is in a crisis. they need rehab not jails. they need therapy not yelled or scolded to. If there fuckin parents raised them better the government wouldnt be left with so many damaged and bruised adults.
Some addict makes it very hard to have sympathy for them. The problem with addiction is that your brain camp in a victim mentality. Some will get over it and get real help/grow and others will hurt people around them as a reflexion of how much they have been hurt themselves. They will never admit they are the ones who needs help. They are the one for who, unfortunately, jail might end up a necessity because they have no sense of self control and becomes dangerous for themselves and others....
 
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Some addict makes it very hard to have sympathy for them. The problem with addiction is that your brain camp in a victim mentality. Some will get over it and get real help/grow and others will hurt people around them as a reflexion of how much they have been hurt themselves. They will never admit they are the ones who needs help. They are the one for who, unfortunately, jail might end up a necessity because they have no sense of self control and becomes dangerous for themselves and others....
Its not that its a victim mentality, its that addicts become too focused on the now of getting high to consider anything even longer term than the next meal.

Get them off the streets, give them treatment and time. Or deal with rampant petty theft, some violent crime and unsafe city streets.
Your choice.
 

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Its not that its a victim mentality, its that addicts become too focused on the now of getting high to consider anything even longer term than the next meal.

Get them off the streets, give them treatment and time. Or deal with rampant petty theft, some violent crime and unsafe city streets.
Your choice.
That would require legislation that is compliant with the Charter in order have addicts forcibly institutionalized and treated for their addictions or mental illness. No government at the federal and provincial levels want to pour billions into the medical field to deal with the issues. The community methadone programs don't work.
 

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now that's inhumane you better hope someone you love doesn't fall for addiction. I have news for you the friends I know that had car accidents and became dependable on oxys for nerve damage when the doctor PRESCRIBED them the pain was getting worse and wouldn't increase the dose these people turned to the street to take more. I dealt with nerve damage in my leg i cried for two days in pain telling the doctor I refused to take OXYS the pain was so bad I felt like I couldn't go on anymore in this shape I told my doctor I was petrified of getting addicted to oxys because it has seen the results from people. he ended up prescribing gabapentin and miraculously it took away the burning of my leg but here's the kicker this med made you not able to drive a car it made me take 4-hour naps and it totally fucked up my job. maybe others don't feel this way on this drug but I was a walking zombie for a year and a half just making it by a hair. So ya the options for pain meds for serious injury are pretty scary. and addicting.
If you think this is inhumane you must be repulsed by the MAID program...
 
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