Avoid Camilla 6858 on Leolist
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Lots of issues in this thread, but first let's not be saying OP didn't write a review.
1) It's in the review section.
2) The thread title in the review section is "Avoid Camilla 613 415-6858 on Leolist"
3) The opening lines state her attitude and services are terrible.
I'd call that a review. Maybe it was just bad english and he meant to refer to someone else using that number, but after countless posts, even after being asked directly if he'd seen Camilla, it's still muddy.
I'm guessing he didn't see her, but could have been clear from the start.
I generally find it enlightening to get the SP point of view on matters. I am surprised here though at the total disregard for a hobbyist's desire for privacy. It is a very real issue and just because one SP is trustworthy the practice of giving out identifying information is not likely to end well. This should be understood, and does not negate the SP's desire for authentication. Both sides have their own concerns. An SP can demand information and a hobbyist can be quite right in not providing it. And an e-transfer? Sure, as soon as you buy my swampland in Florida.
I'm also surprised at the assumption that only the ladies are in danger. If one is at all familiar with this industry, even a little bit, than you know it is an enormous risk for hobbyists. Not just legally, or of being outed to family, but also being ripped off and even personal safety. I know of an incident in Ottawa where the incall to a decent hotel resulted in a thug being let in by the girl and the john tied up and beaten until he gave up his pins for his cards. Again because of privacy concerns many of these incidents are not reported. Alma you clearly can't empathise with the john walking into a hotel room looking over his shoulder and around corners while trying to feel at ease. Having regulars helps, but if we all wanted the same partner all the time we probably wouldn't be here.
Lastly on this topic, both sides stand to gain by a pic verifying process. Rather hobbyists and legitimate providers gain, but the scammers stealing your business and our money lose.
I choose a provider not only by good reviews, but also by whatever look I'm in the mood for. When a pic search reveals they are fakes, how would I know if I'm gonna be attracted to whoever opens the door? Maybe a video phone # sign proof is 99% reliable, and a pic phone # sign proof is 80%, and a refusal to provide either is <50%. Not sure of a web sites verification process if pics can be swapped later. It benefits both sides if we have as much confidence as possible before investing the time and money. That's good for your business if you are legit, and good for your business if half our money isn't going to fakers. Speaking personally, yes it is that high.
I don't have the answers, just pointing out that the hobbyists concerns are valid too, and you'd no doubt profit by understanding them.
I'm also surprised at the assumption that only the ladies are in danger. If one is at all familiar with this industry, even a little bit, than you know it is an enormous risk for hobbyists. Not just legally, or of being outed to family, but also being ripped off and even personal safety. I know of an incident in Ottawa where the incall to a decent hotel resulted in a thug being let in by the girl and the john tied up and beaten until he gave up his pins for his cards. Again because of privacy concerns many of these incidents are not reported. Alma you clearly can't empathise with the john walking into a hotel room looking over his shoulder and around corners while trying to feel at ease. Having regulars helps, but if we all wanted the same partner all the time we probably wouldn't be here.
Lastly on this topic, both sides stand to gain by a pic verifying process. Rather hobbyists and legitimate providers gain, but the scammers stealing your business and our money lose.
I choose a provider not only by good reviews, but also by whatever look I'm in the mood for. When a pic search reveals they are fakes, how would I know if I'm gonna be attracted to whoever opens the door? Maybe a video phone # sign proof is 99% reliable, and a pic phone # sign proof is 80%, and a refusal to provide either is <50%. Not sure of a web sites verification process if pics can be swapped later. It benefits both sides if we have as much confidence as possible before investing the time and money. That's good for your business if you are legit, and good for your business if half our money isn't going to fakers. Speaking personally, yes it is that high.
I don't have the answers, just pointing out that the hobbyists concerns are valid too, and you'd no doubt profit by understanding them.
Wow, I am sorry but professionalism seemed to go right out the window in this thread.
Hobbyist, just like ladies, can ask for whatever they want. Doesn't mean they are going to get it. So he asked for pics with a date or whatever. To verify. Big fucking deal. Don't want to, think he is a pic collector, then Say no and move on to the next inquiring caller. Easy peasy.
I agree with not sending an e-transfer in this case.
Some advice to ladies who are trying to screen and work on their end of things.
Get a professional website, get professional pics. Get a professional email/phone number. Spend some time and money on your brand. Work for a company that spends the money on their brand, build your reputation and then maybe delve into e-transfers.
I can't say I blame guys here for not wanting to give an e/transfer from an unknown person off a classified ad. I would never do it with someone's money let alone my own.
I have guys say all the time that they are not comfortable to screening. Ok. No big. Here is a referral to a lady with less screening. That is what I do. I don't call the guy a closest rapist trying to hurt me.
He asked for a pic. The response is " sorry I don't send out pics other then what is on my ad. " Done. No harm no foul.
However - if you are a pimp/agent or running some shotty "unagency" - be prepared to be called out at some point in time. Just like the scamming contractors that are out there. Ignore the negative reviews. You don't give a shit about anyone else anyway so leave the guy alone who busted you. Better him then the fucking police. Which - if I was a hobbyist - I would be calling the police on an operation like this. Or crime stoppers at the very least. These operations in my opinion, need to be shut down. These types of "pimps" drive me crazy. They give this industry a bad name. Like seriously - these pimps should go post op and suck dick themselves for cash. - UGh I should just stop here with my opinion of pimps.
So in closing - Lack of professionalism hurts us all in this business. What one escort does creates a lasting impression with a hobbyist and he carries that to his next session. If he gets burned or played or accosted for stupidness, he is going to gun shy with the next lady. So for us ladies to stick together we first need to offer a certain minimum standard of being professionals and this was sadly not a step in that direction.
Hobbyist, just like ladies, can ask for whatever they want. Doesn't mean they are going to get it. So he asked for pics with a date or whatever. To verify. Big fucking deal. Don't want to, think he is a pic collector, then Say no and move on to the next inquiring caller. Easy peasy.
I agree with not sending an e-transfer in this case.
Some advice to ladies who are trying to screen and work on their end of things.
Get a professional website, get professional pics. Get a professional email/phone number. Spend some time and money on your brand. Work for a company that spends the money on their brand, build your reputation and then maybe delve into e-transfers.
I can't say I blame guys here for not wanting to give an e/transfer from an unknown person off a classified ad. I would never do it with someone's money let alone my own.
I have guys say all the time that they are not comfortable to screening. Ok. No big. Here is a referral to a lady with less screening. That is what I do. I don't call the guy a closest rapist trying to hurt me.
He asked for a pic. The response is " sorry I don't send out pics other then what is on my ad. " Done. No harm no foul.
However - if you are a pimp/agent or running some shotty "unagency" - be prepared to be called out at some point in time. Just like the scamming contractors that are out there. Ignore the negative reviews. You don't give a shit about anyone else anyway so leave the guy alone who busted you. Better him then the fucking police. Which - if I was a hobbyist - I would be calling the police on an operation like this. Or crime stoppers at the very least. These operations in my opinion, need to be shut down. These types of "pimps" drive me crazy. They give this industry a bad name. Like seriously - these pimps should go post op and suck dick themselves for cash. - UGh I should just stop here with my opinion of pimps.
So in closing - Lack of professionalism hurts us all in this business. What one escort does creates a lasting impression with a hobbyist and he carries that to his next session. If he gets burned or played or accosted for stupidness, he is going to gun shy with the next lady. So for us ladies to stick together we first need to offer a certain minimum standard of being professionals and this was sadly not a step in that direction.
Anyways....
I saw Camilla a few weeks ago, it was the worst SP service ive ever had. I am very, very easy going and have gotten in trouble on this forum for giving overzealous reviews of SP's to the point people thought I was a fake. I just don't like to sweat the small stuff. That said....... She advertised as the full laundry list of services. She offered me a discount to come see her, said it was really slow. I show up there and it's a mattress in the middle of the room. Stinks of cigarettes. She does the horrific boner killer "take off your clothes, wash your hands, lie down on the bed." Professionalism. Fair enough, but this was advertised as GFE. If I was expecting that it would be different but expecting a cute girl with GFE and getting that is a bummer. I noticed right away she had clearly used a filter on her photos because it was her.... but she weighed easily an extra 40lbs. She had said BBBJ but instantly put on a rubber and refused to do anything otherwise. She then star fishes out on the mattress and tells me to "go ahead" I went for a bit but she was so dry the condom was pulling and besides the fact that it hurt a lot I was afraid it would tear. She finished me with a HJ and I got the fuuuuuck out of there.
I hate to post this, I have met a lot of great women through hobbying and I like to keep things positive but some guy got dragged through the coals and he didn't deserve it.
1/10
She sucks (but only with a rubber)
I saw Camilla a few weeks ago, it was the worst SP service ive ever had. I am very, very easy going and have gotten in trouble on this forum for giving overzealous reviews of SP's to the point people thought I was a fake. I just don't like to sweat the small stuff. That said....... She advertised as the full laundry list of services. She offered me a discount to come see her, said it was really slow. I show up there and it's a mattress in the middle of the room. Stinks of cigarettes. She does the horrific boner killer "take off your clothes, wash your hands, lie down on the bed." Professionalism. Fair enough, but this was advertised as GFE. If I was expecting that it would be different but expecting a cute girl with GFE and getting that is a bummer. I noticed right away she had clearly used a filter on her photos because it was her.... but she weighed easily an extra 40lbs. She had said BBBJ but instantly put on a rubber and refused to do anything otherwise. She then star fishes out on the mattress and tells me to "go ahead" I went for a bit but she was so dry the condom was pulling and besides the fact that it hurt a lot I was afraid it would tear. She finished me with a HJ and I got the fuuuuuck out of there.
I hate to post this, I have met a lot of great women through hobbying and I like to keep things positive but some guy got dragged through the coals and he didn't deserve it.
1/10
She sucks (but only with a rubber)
ilovethislife,
Let me be frank by saying that I was one of the few that suspected you were being untruthful or shady because I felt some of your reviews were contradicting. I now understand your character a little better and now, it makes sense to me about what you write. I apologize, and you are 100% legit in my books.
That time you wrote about Julia in the 411 section was the time I made the TOFTT on her to see for myself how legit you were. So, because of you, I had discovered a gem like Julia. So I owe you an apology and a thank you!
Please do not be afraid to review, good or bad experience. Leave whatever thoughts you have here, anything helps. You hobby allot, don't you? Well so do I, and if we ever bump into each other, the beer is on me LMAO.
I would encourage everyone to confirm text of menu to the SP upon arrival. The problem is that there are some SPs who like to be devious. So even after confirming all services up front, handing over the money, they change tone during the session and decline it all. Which usually ends up in a argument and a loss. Not much you can do past that point. And those SPs are far worst than the Instagram fakes!
Most of these devious SPs are in it to make a quick buck and to lure naive guys through the door. They aren't there to make thier alias known. Either that or they work for a pimp like gtmoney62 lol
ilovethislife, thank you for your input. Please check your mailbox for my message. I'm glad you made it out alive from this horrible experience. Please do share your future endeavours.
If anyone is still wandering about the human trafficking threat, rest assured no cops have shown up to my building. Let the hobby continue!
If anyone is still wandering about the human trafficking threat, rest assured no cops have shown up to my building. Let the hobby continue!
Haha, yeah this is wild. A lot of people get banned from this site. I wonder what the most common reason for actual hobbyists getting banned is...sharing dirty deeds at spas by PM maybe?
When I started contributing to the GFE list I would get PM's almost every time: "Does x girl do (insert illegal activity)"? I just wouldnt reply. I guess people think mods cannot read PM's and they are being sneaky.
