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Australia's coronavirus lockdown strategy worked. Could this be a model for the US?

basketcase

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At this point, I don't know if anything will work for the US. In an ideal world, mandatory vaccination followed by a real 2 week lockdown enforced by the military might do it. Since we know that won't happen, they're just dying their way to herd mentality (whoops, immunity)
 

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Even w a 1% mortality rate (its closer to 3) means 2 million yanks will die to reach herd immunity 70% levels. If at 3% means an American holocaust to reach the goal.
 

K Douglas

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Australia has had 678 people over the age of 70 die of COVID-19 since April. Just 49 people under the age of 70 have perished due to COVID-19. Does this really necessitate extreme lockdowns?
 

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The terrifying police state Daniel Andrews wants to create: How innocent Victorians can be arrested and detained indefinitely without evidence - on the word of power-hungry public servants


Innocent Victorians could be arrested in the street or at work and detained indefinitely by power-crazed officials under a new law Daniel Andrews wants to pass, top lawyers have warned.

The proposed new law, which will be debated in the Victorian parliament next month, would allow the government to give anyone it chooses - such as public servants - the power to enforce coronavirus restrictions and make arrests.

The unprecedented plan would also allow officials to detain people they suspect may spread coronavirus even if they have done nothing wrong.


Eighteen esteemed former judges and lawyers have written an open letter warning that the law is 'unprecedented, excessive and open to abuse'.

One of those lawyers, Ross Gillies QC, told Daily Mail Australia he fears power-hungry officials who enjoy exerting authority may abuse the powers given to them.

'I don't trust someone who is nominated by a public servant with the power to make arrests. I have real abiding concern that power is a very dangerous thing,' he said.

'Some people are excited by power and the ability to exert authority over someone else. There is the potential for enormous injustice.'

'Someone might grab someone and say "I have reason to believe you are a Covid carrier or know someone who has Covid and I apprehend you".

'There would be no remedy in that situation. That may be the worst-case scenario but we know that can happen.'

Mr Gillies described the law, which has passed the lower house, as 'draconian' and urged the upper house to vote it down or amend it next month.

 

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Australia has had 678 people over the age of 70 die of COVID-19 since April. Just 49 people under the age of 70 have perished due to COVID-19. Does this really necessitate extreme lockdowns?
1) Those low numbers are the result of - and because of - the lockdowns in Australia. They would be far higher otherwise. Compare Sweden.

2) Death is not the only concern. Illness, hospitalization, ICU, long term negative health effects & hospitals being overwhelmed are some of the other concerns. As well as much being unknown about this new "novel virus" leads health experts to an abundance of caution.

3) Sweden didn't lockdown as their 3 Nordic neighbours did. Yet Sweden suffered far more total deaths while having a much smaller population & no advantage economically. The Swedish model has been a failure thus far.

The U.S. Government last week updated the SURVIVAL RATES (i.e., IF infected) for Covid19:

USA
Ages 0-19: 99.997%
Ages 20-49: 99.98%
Ages 50-69: 99.5%
Ages 70+: 94.6%
Source: CDC
So if one is 70+ there is a very real chance of dying from a C-19 infection. Greater than 5%, or 5 in 100, or 1 in 20.

Also if a person is 50-69 there is a very real chance of dying from a C-19 infection. Exactly 5 in 1000, or 1 in 200.

Anyone wanna play some "Russian Roulette". That's a fool's game.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Russian roulette
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/russian-roulette
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/russian-roulette
 
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jalimon

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Australia has had 678 people over the age of 70 die of COVID-19 since April. Just 49 people under the age of 70 have perished due to COVID-19. Does this really necessitate extreme lockdowns?
You just proved that they succeed. Why then ask that question?
 
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K Douglas

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I think what Australia and other jurisdictions have proven, is that extreme lockdowns are not a long term solution. For months (April through June), Australia had very few cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/
Then July hits and we see a spike in both number of cases and number of deaths. July and August is the heart of their winter and flu season btw. Furthermore, the damage that is being done to the economy and to people's overall general health will have repercussions for years to come. Those who advocate for these extreme measures fail to see the bigger picture.
 

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What's surprising to me is that Australia has not only closed its international borders, but also been blocking their people from getting out.
Notable contrast from Canada and certainly from the US.

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lenny2

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I think what Australia and other jurisdictions have proven, is that extreme lockdowns are not a long term solution.
Lockdowns were never meant to be "a long term solution". A main purpose of them was to manage the number of infections to a level such that hospitals were not at risk of being overwhelmed. Then, once the daily cases or curves were at an acceptable level, to slowly open the economies non essential businesses. The "long term solution" would be a vaccine or herd immunity or effective treatments or safety protocols or a combination of these.

Furthermore, the damage that is being done to the economy and to people's overall general health will have repercussions for years to come. Those who advocate for these extreme measures fail to see the bigger picture.
I'm sure that health experts have carefully considered "the big picture" before making decisions. Of course there are pros & cons to lockdowns. But without safety measures the economy would have been decimated anyway. Thankfully the whole world generally took extreme measures to contain this virus.

What is obviously clear is that as a result of lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
 

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"On Sunday, NSW will host the largest public gathering since the pandemic began, a rugby game with 40,000 attendees.

NSW and Victoria each found seven new COVID-19 cases in the previous 24 hours. Six of the new cases in Victoria were linked to the northern suburbs outbreak in Melbourne, which has now spread across 11 households.

The 14-day moving average of new cases in Victoria fell to 4.6, below the threshold of five Andrews had previously set for the next band of restrictions to be lifted.

Australia has recorded nearly 27,500 infections and more than 900 deaths, a fraction of those in some other countries. Victoria accounts for over 90% of lives lost to the virus.

 

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Lol yeah it worked so well the peasants revolted and forced them to open.

Crikey!
 

lenny2

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"The graphs that show Australia's achievement in stopping second-wave Covid outbreak


...The Australian state of Victoria has achieved a remarkable reduction in Covid-19 case numbers after a lengthy period of restrictions.

To put this achievement in context – Australia has done what very few countries have achieved in effectively suppressing a second-wave outbreak from a high point of more than 700 new cases a day. Victoria has now recorded only two cases in three days and lockdown restrictions are being eased.

Here’s a visual comparison of Australia’s epidemic curve compared with a number of other countries, scaled to make comparing the shape of curves easier:


" Singapore has also managed to achieve a similar reduction in numbers, while South Korea has brought numbers from the mid-300s down to less than 100 new cases a day. Japan has roughly halved daily cases from the peak of its second wave, and Vietnam has also suppressed a second wave but from a much lower peak due to its earlier, effective control of the virus.
 

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They didn't stop anything, you people should know this by now. As soon as they open, back it will come. This virus spreads too easily to be eliminated. Unless they keep their country indefinitely in the quarantine from the international travellers and their public places closed, all they're doing is postponing the inevitable.
 

lenny2

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They didn't stop anything, you people should know this by now. As soon as they open, back it will come. This virus spreads too easily to be eliminated. Unless they keep their country indefinitely in the quarantine from the international travellers and their public places closed, all they're doing is postponing the inevitable.
The goal isn't elimination, but mitigation as vaccines are being tested.

Extreme safety measures have already saved millions of lives.

Lockdowns destroy the virus & contain the virus from super spreading much like quarantines do.
 
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