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Phil C. McNasty

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[moderator note: the masks we can get from Costco or other places in Canada are "3 layers" masks and won't exhibit results shown in video, which I believe are single or double layers only.
So remember there is a difference between masks type with different number of layers. Get the 3 layer ones]


Australian report on how useless masks are if they're not N95 masks (and see moderator note above)

 
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The video is dated April 7th 2020

From the same channel 9NEWS Australia, here is a more recent article. Dated June 10th 2020

At the onset of the pandemic, scientific evidence on the effectiveness of face masks in slowing transmission of respiratory diseases was limited.

But, prompted by research in recent weeks, the World Health Organisation now recommends everyone wear fabric face masks in public to try to reduce disease spread.

In this study, researchers linked the dynamics of spread between people with population-level models to assess the effect on the disease's reproduction rate, or R value, of different scenarios of mask adoption combined with periods of lockdown.
The R value measures the average number of people that one infected person will pass the disease on to. An R value above one can lead to exponential growth.
The study found that if people wear masks whenever they are in public it is twice as effective at reducing the R value than if masks are only worn after symptoms appear.


In all scenarios the study looked at, routine face mask use by 50 per cent or more of the population reduced COVID-19 spread to an R of less than one, flattening future disease waves and allowing for less stringent lockdowns.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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^^^ I'm not saying masks dont help reduce the spread, I'm saying if you are gonna wear a mask make it an N95 mask
 

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^^^ I'm not saying masks dont help reduce the spread, I'm saying if you are gonna wear a mask make it an N95 mask
Of course that would be best. Unfortunately it's not feasible to supply the world. So wear a mask anyway.

I have about six now. With pockets for filter inserts. I use 3M furnace filters cut up. Good for about 80% effectiveness in filtering out. And safe to use.

Thankfully on the TTC today I saw over 90% compliance. The three who didn't I really wanted to shit on but refrained for now.
 

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^^^ I'm not saying masks dont help reduce the spread, I'm saying if you are gonna wear a mask make it an N95 mask
While N95 is the gold standard, fabric face masks with filter pockets can be highly effective, you can even use the high quality air filters you use in your house for better results.

most important and this goes forN95 especially is fit.You’re better off shaving to provide a tighter more snug fit so that you’re breathing through the mask not around it.
 

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I use 3M furnace filters cut up. Good for about 80% effectiveness in filtering out. And safe to use.
Using 3M furnace filter. Are you sure it is safe?

I use a dust mask which I insert with a cut in half real mask. I like that there is a tiny gap between my mouth/nose and the actual mask.
 

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Of course that would be best. Unfortunately it's not feasible to supply the world. So wear a mask anyway.

I have about six now. With pockets for filter inserts. I use 3M furnace filters cut up. Good for about 80% effectiveness in filtering out. And safe to use.

Thankfully on the TTC today I saw over 90% compliance. The three who didn't I really wanted to shit on but refrained for now.
You wanna shit one someone who might have asthma, COPD, emphysema or some other breathing problem??

BTW they're not mandatory until tomorrow
 
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Fake news! I just tried the same test with a surgical mask and two types of aerosol spray, Lysol and Febreeze air freshner. Neither spray penetrated the mask.
 
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You wanna shit one someone who might have asthma, COPD, emphysema or some other breathing problem??

BTW they're not mandatory until tomorrow
The correct term is "required", as written on the City of Toronto website. Yes, that doesn't sound like it has as much teeth as the term "mandatory". And for good reason, if you read the actual Toronto by-law exemptions; especially, the absence of teeth it has if a person chooses to exercise their right for an exemption:

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Fake news! I just tried the same test with a surgical mask and two types of aerosol spray, Lysol and Febreeze air freshner. Neither spray penetrated the mask.
Next time try the scented versions.

I own a respirator for plastering, power sawing and insulation renovation work; but when I work with aerosols (herbicides, pesticides, spray paint), I switch to a P100 filter. I do this because N95 masks are only effective for particulate matter, not aerosol. As for surgical masks, they are a fashion statement for anyone that does not understand how filters work.
 
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Next time try the scented versions.

I own a respirator for plastering, power sawing and insulation renovation work; but when I work with aerosols (herbicides, pesticides, spray paint), I switch to a P100 filter. I do this because N95 masks are only effective for particulate matter, not aerosol. As for surgical masks, they are a fashion statement for anyone that does not understand how filters work.
My droplets are not scented, and my droplet propulsion is nowhere near as powerful as any aerosol spray.
 
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The correct term is "required", as written on the City of Toronto website. Yes, that doesn't sound like it has as much teeth as the term "mandatory". And for good reason, if you read the actual Toronto by-law exemptions; especially, the absence of teeth it has if a person chooses to exercise their right for an exemption:

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I'm not sure but I think by operators they mean "business operators".
So that still means that cops could require proof of a medical exemption should they want it
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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My droplets are not scented, and my droplet propulsion is nowhere near as powerful as any aerosol spray
Wrong! Do more research.
Your sneeze can travel up to 100MPH. No way can an aerosol spray go that fast:

 

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Here's a better and more up to date (July 1st 2020) explanation.
Basically any covering better than no covering but the better the quality the better the protection.

 

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Next time try the scented versions.

I own a respirator for plastering, power sawing and insulation renovation work; but when I work with aerosols (herbicides, pesticides, spray paint), I switch to a P100 filter. I do this because N95 masks are only effective for particulate matter, not aerosol. As for surgical masks, they are a fashion statement for anyone that does not understand how filters work.
My droplets are not scented, and my droplet propulsion is nowhere near as powerful as any aerosol sprays.
Wrong! Do more research.
Your sneeze can travel up to 100MPH. No way can an aerosol spray go that fast:

Regardless of how fast a sneeze or cough travels, the droplets are obviously significantly reduced by any type of barrier, including masks.
 

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Here's a better and more up to date (July 1st 2020) explanation.
Basically any covering better than no covering but the better the quality the better the protection.

Actually, the best protection is to just get the virus, become immune (recovery rate is like over 99% if not co-morbid), and have near-zero risk of transmitting it ever again.
 
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Using 3M furnace filter. Are you sure it is safe?

I use a dust mask which I insert with a cut in half real mask. I like that there is a tiny gap between my mouth/nose and the actual mask.
Yes. Because they are rated for use in your house they contain nothing toxic. And the mask itself is an easy barrier for any fibers.

I probably wouldn't recommend for 8 hours continuous use but for store runs and TTC travel it's fine.
 
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You wanna shit one someone who might have asthma, COPD, emphysema or some other breathing problem??

BTW they're not mandatory until tomorrow
It's why I didn't at the time. But I'm betting anyone with these issues is avoiding the subway and Streetcars. In a pandemic I sure would.
 

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Actually, the best protection is to just get the virus, become immune (recovery rate is like over 99% if not co-morbid), and have near-zero risk of transmitting it ever again.
But this has yet to be proven. I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying it as yet to be proven scientifically since it's a new virus. No one knows how long is immunity. Is it forever, hopefully, or like the flu which last just a few months.

Till' then I prefer not to get it so I will wear a mask, best one I can buy, when I go in public closed place. And if you sneeze continue to do it in your elbow, even with a mask. It's the only way you can get droplets out of the mask.

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