Another big Sanders endorsement.

[Butler1000]

The American College of Physicians has just endorsed Medicare for all. And with it Sanders.

Add in the California Nurses Union and others to follow and this another infuencual chunk of the electorate.

 

[Valcazar]

The American College of Physicians has just endorsed Medicare for all. And with it Sanders.

Add in the California Nurses Union and others to follow and this another infuencual chunk of the electorate.

Here is the ACP announcement and their recommendations in more detail.

https://www.acponline.org/advocacy/...ble-acps-vision-for-the-us-health-care-system

In “Envisioning a Better Health Care System for All: Coverage and Cost of Care”, ACP recommends transitioning to a system of universal coverage through either a single payer system, or a public choice to be offered along with regulated private insurance.

Oddly, despite your statement, the name "Sanders" doesn't appear anywhere.

 

[Butler1000]

Here is the ACP announcement and their recommendations in more detail.

https://www.acponline.org/advocacy/...ble-acps-vision-for-the-us-health-care-system



Oddly, despite your statement, the name "Sanders" doesn't appear anywhere.

Name another candidate who supports it. He is the clear choice on it. The rest are either liars or will bend to corporate interests.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Here is the ACP announcement and their recommendations in more detail.

https://www.acponline.org/advocacy/...ble-acps-vision-for-the-us-health-care-system



Oddly, despite your statement, the name "Sanders" doesn't appear anywhere.

So the ACP has effectively endorsed every single Dem candidate’s healthcare plan from Sanders to Buttigieg...LOL!

Once again, B1000 spikes the ball before crossing the goal line...oops...B1000 does this all the time!


https://youtu.be/0o_-GGDNIVg

 

[Butler1000]

So the ACP has effectively endorsed every single Dem candidate’s healthcare plan from Sanders to Buttigieg...LOL!

Once again, B1000 spikes the ball before crossing the goal line...oops...B1000 does this all the time!


https://youtu.be/0o_-GGDNIVg

Biden wants to cut Medicare. Make no mistake Pete and Amy would as well.

And Warren is too wishy washy to get anything done.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Biden wants to cut Medicare. Make no mistake Pete and Amy would as well.

And Warren is too wishy washy to get anything done.

That’s your opinion...but that is not what the ACP actually said.

I happen to agree with you that Bernie’s plan is the best...but it doesn’t look good when Bernie Bro’s spread misinformation. It’s unnecessary and it looks shady.

 

[WyattEarp]

One endorsement looms large.

 

[Butler1000]

One endorsement looms large.

Biggest one. But he will wait. And endorse the winner. He has a brand to sell and either picking wrong or too soon will alienate potential buyers.

He won't stump until the general.

 

[Valcazar]

Name another candidate who supports it. He is the clear choice on it. The rest are either liars or will bend to corporate interests.

Another candidate who supports a public option with private insurance and regulation? That's everyone. And, as you know, Warren supports single payer.

Are you saying that Sanders supports maintaining private insurance with regulation? Wow, Sanders will be pissed at how impure you think Sanders is.

 

[Valcazar]

Biden wants to cut Medicare. Make no mistake Pete and Amy would as well.

And Warren is too wishy washy to get anything done.

Warren is too wishy washy? Holy shit you're high on your own supply.

It honestly amazes me you have so little faith in Bernie. You have to argue everyone else is lying because you don't really believe he can make the case on his own merits.

I think he's an asshole and I have more faith in him than you do.

 

[Valcazar]

Biggest one. But he will wait. And endorse the winner. He has a brand to sell and either picking wrong or too soon will alienate potential buyers.

He won't stump until the general.

Butler and I agree on something!!!!

Obama will come in as a unifying figure and a supporter in the general, he isn't coming in before that.

(It is possible that Bernie will tell him to fuck off and not campaign for him, because Bernie doesn't like Obama, but I don't think Sanders is that stupid.)

 

[bver_hunter]

Endorsement by Des Moines: Elizabeth Warren will push an unequal America in the right direction:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ister-editorial-board-endorsement/4562157002/

 

[WyattEarp]

Biggest one. But he will wait. And endorse the winner. He has a brand to sell and either picking wrong or too soon will alienate potential buyers.

He won't stump until the general.

It might just be Fox News propaganda, but there is some merit that if Bernie starts off well Obama will come out against him. Obama has already signaled he doesn't care for Bernie's policies.

 

[Butler1000]

Another candidate who supports a public option with private insurance and regulation? That's everyone. And, as you know, Warren supports single payer.

Are you saying that Sanders supports maintaining private insurance with regulation? Wow, Sanders will be pissed at how impure you think Sanders is.

They won't even support a public option if they get in. Means tested programs always get shot down. It get set up to fail.

The insurance companies don't want to even lose a dime to a public option. And then you will run into a two tier price system.

And no Sanders believes all in, don't be disingenuous.

But Warren is wishy washy. She backtracked on all in and said it would be public option first. When the Clinton staffers joined her campaign.

The rest will make promises, have a few Dems balk, and do nothing. Then blame those damn GOPers. Just like Obama.

 

[Butler1000]

It might just be Fox News propaganda, but there is some merit that if Bernie starts off well Obama will come out against him. Obama has already signaled he doesn't care for Bernie's policies.

I've seen reports and rumours to both theories. In the end it will be what he thinks hurts his brand least.

His problem is is the same as Clinton's. If Sanders wins and gets M4A then both look bad in comparison.

 

[Valcazar]

Endorsement by Des Moines: Elizabeth Warren will push an unequal America in the right direction:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ister-editorial-board-endorsement/4562157002/

Might move the needs a tiny bit in Iowa, but I think we've settled down to Biden and Bernie basically tying followed by Buttigieg and Warren. (If Warren finishes clean 4th place, I think she's out by Super Tuesday.)

It might just be Fox News propaganda, but there is some merit that if Bernie starts off well Obama will come out against him. Obama has already signaled he doesn't care for Bernie's policies.

I could see it, but I think it is a bit of a Catch-22. If Sanders is winning strongly enough to make it necessary, it may do more harm than good to look like he's trying to take it away from Bernie. If it is neck and neck, I could see him maybe stepping in.
I think it is more likely people who are well known to be tight with him will endorse Biden if needed, with the implication it is a tacit nod from Obama. (In other words, the press will be told that they are allowed to speculate if this means Obama has given him his support and drive that narrative.)

 

[Valcazar]

They won't even support a public option if they get in. Means tested programs always get shot down. It get set up to fail.

The insurance companies don't want to even lose a dime to a public option. And then you will run into a two tier price system. [/QUOTE]

We are back to the conspiracy theories, I see.

And no Sanders believes all in, don't be disingenuous.

I wasn't being disingenuous, I was being sarcastic. You are the one who said that an endorsement that specifically said it was endorsing a public option with strong regulation was clearly supporting Sanders because he was the only one who really meant it.

But Warren is wishy washy. She backtracked on all in and said it would be public option first. When the Clinton staffers joined her campaign.

Gotcha. Nobody who really believes in single payer would say we may need to do a public option as part of the way forward.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/sanders-adamant-on-public-option
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/845671102345039872

Yup. Sounds wishy-washy to me.

The rest will make promises, have a few Dems balk, and do nothing. Then blame those damn GOPers. Just like Obama.

And Bernie would solve this how? Let's get away from your mind-reading skills where only Sanders is pure and true and means it.
Since the problem is the Democrats who would balk, how does Sanders handle that? He is impotent in your scenario.
In fact, it is worse. He is on the record that he is against getting rid of the filibuster. So he needs 60 votes in the Senate, which will mean many Republicans in a best case scenario.

Looks like he is planning to have it fail and then blame the GOP, by your logic. He's pretty much guaranteed it.
I mean, Sanders never changes his mind, he is consistent on everything. If he says it would be bad to get rid of the filibuster it is because he means it on principle. Therefore he is planning to make sure M4A fails.

Or, you know, your entire line of reasoning is ridiculous.

 

[WyattEarp]

The insurance companies don't want to even lose a dime to a public option. And then you will run into a two tier price system.

I think you are being very idealistic. At some level, I'm guessing that every industrialized country with a national healthcare system has two tiers public and private. The issue to me is what ratio of public healthcare versus privately sourced healthcare.

You throw around M4A and perhaps we agree on some points. I don't think the American public and our courts will sign off on a coercive takeover of the heathcare system by the government.

Our government is a huge payer when you add up Medicare and Medicaid/Obamacare. I believe that makes the U.S. government the largest payer for healthcare. Perhaps offering the public option and requiring all doctors, hospitals to accept all or none with those with government coverage. This could create an environment that would gradually shift towards government payer insurance.

I believe businesses are tiring of organizing, negotiating and paying for healthcare. If the government actually structured this properly and did a good job administering it, I could see businesses opting into the public option.

 

[Butler1000]

I think you are being very idealistic. At some level, I'm guessing that every industrialized country with a national healthcare system has two tiers public and private. The issue to me is what ratio of public healthcare versus privately sourced healthcare.

You throw around M4A and perhaps we agree on some points. I don't think the American public and our courts will sign off on a coercive takeover of the heathcare system by the government.

Our government is a huge payer when you add up Medicare and Medicaid/Obamacare. I believe that makes the U.S. government the largest payer for healthcare. Perhaps offering the public option and requiring all doctors, hospitals to accept all or none with those with government coverage. This could create an environment that would gradually shift towards government payer insurance.

I believe businesses are tiring of organizing, negotiating and paying for healthcare. If the government actually structured this properly and did a good job administering it, I could see businesses opting into the public option.

Wyatt I have no doubt this will be the second biggest, nastiest fight of a Sanders Presidency. Some senior Democrats will have to go as well numerous "consultants (cough, lobbyists, cough)". The profiteers will ramp it up big time.

But he has already spoken of this. And his supporters know that the war will not be won on election day.

This is a class war. And a very real takeover of the party happening. That's why they are so scared of Sanders. He spent four years planning for this. And they are only now acknowledging his power.

And it may be too late. The MSM no longer controls the message. It's in the hands of the internet.