Amnesty International: Israel Apartheid

[Frankfooter]

The impact of that racism though depends on how much power of the racist has.

For instance, a nuclear armed country with state of the art, US funded, missiles, tanks, artillery, jets, snipers, apartheid walls would have much more power than a country without an army and only hand made rockets.
A country that can put walls with snipers around areas with people of different race/religion would have a lot more power.
Right?

 

[Bbw hunter]

Some people get their rocks off from BDSM.
Franky gets his jollies from BDS.

 

[Frankfooter]

Some people get their rocks off from BDSM.
Franky gets his jollies from BDS.

Which means you think some get their 'jollies' from apartheid?
Yuk.

 

[basketcase]

For instance...

A group of people who use violence targeting civilians and refuse to even consider a peace deal because it would mean living alongside people of a different religion?

 

[basketcase]

That's Trudeau's views 3 years ago,...

And still true.

Neither BDS nor these bullshit Amnesty claims are productive because ONLY a peace deal negotiated between the two sides will end the conflict. Your elitist attempt to force Israel to impose a unilateral solution the Palestinians overwhelmingly detest doesn't help create peace in any way.

And obvious you will never discuss the core issues of the conflict but simply keep spamming different people saying the same bullshit.



p.s. This is part of the problem. The Israeli police set out to arrest people who have been shooting at police and military (who are also members of a designated terrorist entity). When they stop them, the suspects pull out M16s and get shot. Now people are using the attempted arrest and shooting of armed suspects as an excuse to call for "revenge".

Vowing revenge, thousands attend funeral of terror suspects killed by Israeli forces

Joint List MKs decry 'execution' of three Palestinian gunmen affiliated with the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group; fourth suspect said still at large

www.timesofisrael.com

It's not the only problem but anyone interested in reality understands that Israel can not impose a solution when there are influential groups who feel like this.

 

[Frankfooter]

A group of people who use violence targeting civilians and refuse to even consider a peace deal because it would mean living alongside people of a different religion?

Yes, Israel does that as well, its true.

Jerusalem Christians: ‘We shrunk from 20% to 2% of population due to Israeli violence’

Church leaders in Jerusalem referred in a statement to "organized and systematic" physical and verbal assaults against priests, attacks on churches, and acts of desecration and vandalism on sanctities and holy sites.

globalvoices.org

UN rights council to investigate crimes during Gaza conflict

UN Human Rights Council will also probe ‘systematic’ abuses in the occupied Palestinian territories and Israel.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Frankfooter]

And still true.

Neither BDS nor these bullshit Amnesty claims are productive because ONLY a peace deal negotiated between the two sides will end the conflict. Your elitist attempt to force Israel to impose a unilateral solution the Palestinians overwhelmingly detest doesn't help create peace in any way.

Sure, basketcase, sure.

We should all sit back for another 50 years because Israel is really going to stop colonizing and settling Palestine any day now.
Any day now it'll break out in peace.

Israel starts construction in Jordan Valley

Israel has begun construction in the occupied Jordan Valley, in what Palestinians warn could be the start of a new illegal Jewish-only settlement, Wafa reported. New structures have been erected in the...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Sorry, BDS and sanctions are the only way towards peace now,.
Israel and the settlements you kept saying 'weren't the problem' created too many 'facts on the ground'.
You've left it up to the international community to back the Palestinian BDS movement and end apartheid through sanctions.

 

[Frankfooter]

Love the way you think an excuse to bitch about Israel is more important than Israel building schools for Palestinian special needs kids.

And the fact you can condemn Israel as the most vile thing out there while making excuses for Hamas doing something similar says everything about your agenda.

You're defending state apartheid policy by pretending that Israel is really interested in building schools, not ethnically cleansing Palestinians.
I'll listen to what Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, Yesh Din and the UN have to say, not a spokesperson for apartheid.

Demolitions in Jerusalem area, January 2022: 30 structures demolished; 78 people, including 37 minors, lose homes
Throughout January 2022, on orders of the Jerusalem Municipality, the Civil Administration and the Ministry of Interior, 30 structures were demolished in the parts of the West Bank annexed to Jerusalem’s municipal boundaries and in adjacent areas…

 

[Frankfooter]

A bullshit, counterfactual claim.

And your continual pushing for Israel to impose a unilateral solution that Palestinians reject can't be useful.

Apartheid is a fact, confirmed by all the leading human rights organizations, Israeli politicians and Palestinians, 75% of which say Israel is apartheid.
BDS is the Palestinian response to ending apartheid, they are proposing an internationally backed program of sanctions to end apartheid.

Stop defending apartheid.

 

[Frankfooter]

Only 6% of Palestinians prefer the One State peace you want to force them into.

Nonsense.
75% of Palestinians say Israel is apartheid.

 

[basketcase]

Yes, Israel does that as well, its true.
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Nice try.

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Sorry, BDS and sanctions are the only way towards peace now,.
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So still you think it will solve things to force Israel into enforcing a unilateral peace that Palestinians oppose.

And to top it off, you completely lie about what Palestinians want.



p.s. Love the way you pretend to care about the state of Christians in Israel but are silent about the fate of Christians in Gaza or elsewhere in the region. BTW. Christians haven't ever been 20% of the population (except maybe during the crusades).

 

[Frankfooter]

So still you think it will solve things to force Israel into enforcing a unilateral peace that Palestinians oppose.

Stop pretending you speak for Palestinians, you speak for apartheid occupation.

BDS is a Palestinian movement, backing them is not forcing them into something they oppose.

BDS Movement

The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.

bdsmovement.net

75% of Palestinians say Israel is apartheid.
So do most academics.
Canadians have a moral duty to stand against apartheid.

Israeli rule ‘akin to apartheid’ say majority of U.S. academics studying region

The survey found 65% of professors and researchers studying the region believe this, while 80% say it could reach that point in the next 10 years.

forward.com

Q&A: Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime against Humanity

www.amnesty.org

 

[basketcase]

Stop pretending you speak for Palestinians, y...

I don't but at least I look at what they actually say. Pretty sad you complain about colonial apartheid while having the exact same attitude of imposing your will on non-white people.

BDS is bullshit, counterproductive, and often a front for racists. At least that's what Canada and a half dozen other Western democracies say. And considering the Palestinians hate the idea of a One State peace and BDS rejects the idea of a Two State peace, it makes it pretty clear that for many, BDS is simply a tool achieve what they haven't been able to achieve through war and terrorism, the ethnic cleansing of Jews.

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't but at least I look at what they actually say. Pretty sad you complain about colonial apartheid while having the exact same attitude of imposing your will on non-white people.

BDS is bullshit, counterproductive, and often a front for racists. At least that's what Canada and a half dozen other Western democracies say.

Israel says everyone who supports Palestinians is a racist. Bishop Tutu? Racist. Amnesty? Racist. B'tselem? Racists. IJVCanada? Racists.

I support BDS, the Palestinian movement to end apartheid.
What happens after apartheid is up to them, I'm not imposing anything.
Imposing something on them would be say, someone who supports a 50 year long apartheid occupation that is still trying to settle and colonize Palestine.
Not someone supporting the Palestinian, non-violent, movement to end apartheid.

 

[Frankfooter]

I have to keep moving all your attempts to derail threads here.

Are you incapable of contributing to a thread without trying to pretend it's all about Israel?

And considering you have repeatedly claimed that settlers shouldn't be considered civilians because a few of they are violent, it's pretty funny to see you complaining when Israel shoots people directly engaged in violence.

Straw man argument, basketcase.
You and B'tselem have both acknowledged that setters acting with the backing of the IDF are acting as 'terrorists' as you call them. Yet you continue to try to claim these are 'random' civilians.

 

[basketcase]

I have to keep moving all your attempts to derail threads here.
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You mean you don't like when I challenge the premise of this topic?


Not that you have any interest in what Arabs say, this Israeli rejects the label of apartheid.

Ra’am head Abbas rejects Amnesty’s apartheid label for Israel

Leader of coalition's Islamist party says he's focused on bringing people together rather than being judgmental, prefers objective terms to describe ills decried by rights groups

www.timesofisrael.com

What does he know, he's only an Arab who's an elected member of their legislature and part of the governing coalition. You know, the people actually involved. Like mist people, he is concerned about systemic racism but knows that the Apartheid definition does not fit Israel.

 

[basketcase]

Israel says everyone who supports Palestinians is a racist....

Typical bullshit attempt at victimhood to cover for your own antisemitic tendencies.

And as I said, this isn't Israel condemning BDS but rather Canada, Germany, the UK, the US, and a few others. Are you going back to your tropes about Israel really controlling the world?

 

[Frankfooter]

You mean you don't like when I challenge the premise of this topic?


Not that you have any interest in what Arabs say, this Israeli rejects the label of apartheid.

Congrats, you found one person out of 5 million who refused to say the word 'apartheid'.
Now you just have to account for the 75% of Palestinians who say Israel is apartheid.

 

[Frankfooter]

Typical bullshit attempt at victimhood to cover for your own antisemitic tendencies.

Thank you for making my point.

Me, I'm against apartheid.
You can scream 'racist' as much as you like but as long as you're defending apartheid its just noise.

 

[basketcase]

Congrats, you found one person out of 5 million who refused to say the word 'apartheid'.
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I found a leading Israeli Arab, who despite the bullshit apartheid claims is an elected member of the legislature and a member of the governing coalition. His existence and position alone disprove the Apartheid comparison.