A to-do suggestion for COVID-19 deniers

[Fun For All]

Go to a hospital that is treating COVID patients, walk into a room where a COVID patient is being treated and say to the person who is struggling to breathe, "Get the fuck up and quit faking it, there is no such thing as a COVID-19 virus."

When you're done doing that, tell the staff who have been working 12-hour days that they don't need to keep up the charade...

 

[squeezer]

I'd rather they go in and lick the bedrails and see how they do with the virus.

 

[Rako3]

I'm not denying the virus. I'm just not sure the society-wide reaction is quite warranted. Efforts would be better spent to eliminate smoking, you'd save more lives -- no lockdown required.

 

[|2 /-\ | /|/]

The problem is with the government here.

The had 7 months to build modular self contained and expandable hospitals with a stockpile of all the equipment to deal with this issue but they failed to recognize this as a need.

I like that the hospitals are making the patients get tested before surgery and limiting the number of guests, however they can do a better job with isolation like from emergency room to other departments and the staff that go to other departments.

What they need to have is front line emergency workers on standby and pay them at least 3x as much or more to fill the need when it arises and keep the covid separate from the main hospitals to limit contagion.

What’s happening now are business shutting down, people losing their jobs, ending up homeless, police getting undermined from all sides and being used as fucking tools to enforce stupid shit like a restaurant that wants to stay open and run his business.

How about all the tax revenue from these businesses shutting doors, how about all the homeless and their problems. Who is isolating them. If they did a simple cost benefit analysis they would realize it’s a no brainer to build these remote off site hospitals and pay their front line workers premiums. Also cover their isolation , all expenses like day care for their kids , grocery delivery, hotel accommodations etc if they get it.

I agree with masks, I agree with social distancing, I agree with limited people in restaurants and other stores, however I oppose selective shut down which further contributes to the issue. How is it fair that an apple store is open and the city is misusing police and resources to harass a restaurant owner just trying to fight for his rights. You can order all that apple crap online with free delivery. You don’t have to go there, you don’t have to order there. Some people want that option for countless of reasons and they should be allowed to make that choice.

This is your reality...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1331355534050648072

and this..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1331597598357147649

Except it to get exponentially worse if the government doesn’t get their shit together and do what is right here.

 

[lenny2]

I'm not denying the virus. I'm just not sure the society-wide reaction is quite warranted. Efforts would be better spent to eliminate smoking, you'd save more lives -- no lockdown required.

What efforts would save the lives of smokers? Are you going to find a way to take away their free will? Lock them up somewhere by force & make them go cold turkey?

Those starting smoking now won't die for decades. Those dying of C-19 in a few weeks. C-19 is the more immediate & present danger that needs to be dealt with now.

Lockdowns & other extreme safety measures have already saved more from death by C-19 in months than die from smoking in a full year.

Additionally many C-19 survivors are sufferings long term ill health due to being infected.

 

[doggystyle99]

This is your reality...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1331355534050648072

Glad you were clearly able to understand what the reality was "Stable Genius" I tell you.
Here it is for all the "Stable Genius's" to understand, this is not reality.

Toronto neighbourhood uses For Lease signs to shed light on struggling small businesses

It's no secret that this year has been a particularly challenging time for small business owners in Toronto, and many fear the second lockdown will...

www.blogto.com

"Now, one neighbourhood has launched a campaign to draw attention to exactly what could happen to the community if even more of its beloved small businesses don't survive the lockdown.

The Roncesvalles Village BIA unveiled the NOT FOR LEASE campaign on Tuesday morning, a stunt that's meant to encourage the support of small, locally-owned businesses in the Roncesvalles neighbourhood while warning against buying everything from big corporations like Amazon this holiday season."

But hey you can pretend it's real since you couldn't even do a quick research and go past a tweet to understand what it was about, and that's on par with the reality of the "Natural Born Complainers"

The reality is the "Stable Genius" crowd can not get past anecdotal evidence, made up facts, personal opinions and avoidance of scientific data for their narrative.
I have hundreds of business contacts through my business and have hundreds of personal business contacts through family and friends in different industries and although most have had significant drop in revenue not a single one is boarding up their businesses like some are suggesting. But most of these businesses were successful to begin with.
Even some are in the bar/restaurant industry. Like I've said numerous times COVID will expose those who were already failing businesses before COVID more than others.

 

[|2 /-\ | /|/]

This is by classic definition straw man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Strawman Arguments: What They Are and How to Counter Them – Effectiviology

effectiviology.com

Ignore the point of the post such as business being shut down, ignore all the people losing jobs, their livelihoods, getting into depression and hardships just to derail the post and it’s message which is the government fucked up, keeps fucking up and they could get this under control if the systematically address the problem such as create offsite covid hospitals that are expandable with all the PPE, equipment and pay front line workers premiums with “appropriate” covid measures. This can be managed way better without destroying lives and businesses and hurting our economy.

You have no ability to understand the fundamental issues at hand here but resort to trolling, straw manning and projecting. Says a lot about you.

Trolololol is what you are.

Glad you were clearly able to understand what the reality was "Stable Genius" I tell you.
Here it is for all the "Stable Genius's" to understand, this is not reality.

Toronto neighbourhood uses For Lease signs to shed light on struggling small businesses

It's no secret that this year has been a particularly challenging time for small business owners in Toronto, and many fear the second lockdown will...

www.blogto.com

"Now, one neighbourhood has launched a campaign to draw attention to exactly what could happen to the community if even more of its beloved small businesses don't survive the lockdown.

The Roncesvalles Village BIA unveiled the NOT FOR LEASE campaign on Tuesday morning, a stunt that's meant to encourage the support of small, locally-owned businesses in the Roncesvalles neighbourhood while warning against buying everything from big corporations like Amazon this holiday season."

But hey you can pretend it's real since you couldn't even do a quick research and go past a tweet to understand what it was about, and that's on par with the reality of the "Natural Born Complainers"

The reality is the "Stable Genius" crowd can not get past anecdotal evidence, made up facts, personal opinions and avoidance of scientific data for their narrative.
I have hundreds of business contacts through my business and have hundreds of personal business contacts through family and friends in different industries and although most have had significant drop in revenue not a single one is boarding up their businesses like some are suggesting. But most of these businesses were successful to begin with.
Even some are in the bar/restaurant industry. Like I've said numerous times COVID will expose those who were already failing businesses before COVID more than others.

 

[doggystyle99]

You have no ability to understand the fundamental issues at hand here but resort to trolling, straw manning and projecting. Says a lot about you.

Trolololol is what you are.

Incorrect you made the statement it's the reality, and it certainly is not, you have zero ability to understand it was staged.

This is the reality

 

[|2 /-\ | /|/]

Incorrect you made the statement it's the reality, and it certainly is not, you have zero ability to understand it was staged.

This is the reality

whether that particular photo is staged or not is not the point. Point is many people lost their businesses and jobs and are struggling as a direct result of the shut downs. Arguing about some dumb photo is straw manning the point of the post . The ability for you to not understand that says a lot about your comprehension ability. To deny people didn’t lose their jobs or business didn’t get shut down signals a disconnect with reality and says a lot about the mental state of an individual and their ability to be totally brainwashed by the MSM and the next popular mindless zombie thing they tell you.

Just do what they tell you fight for your machine overlords.

 

[doggystyle99]

whether that particular photo is staged or not is not the point. Point is many people lost their businesses and jobs and are struggling as a direct result of the shut downs. Arguing about some dumb photo is straw manning the point of the post . The ability for you to not understand that says a lot about your comprehension ability. To deny people didn’t lose their jobs or business didn’t get shut down signals a disconnect with reality and says a lot about the mental state of an individual and their ability to be totally brainwashed by the MSM and the next popular mindless zombie thing they tell you.

Point is you claimed the photo is reality as you clearly didn't do the slightest amount of reading (less than 15 seconds) to understand it was not or have the smallest amount of knowledge to understand it was clearly staged.
That is the unfortunate reality of dealing with the "Stable Genius" crowd.

Now I never denied that people haven't lost their job or business, I haven't seen any of the hundreds of business contacts do so, and most that are successful businesses will not, those that were already struggling businesses will more than likely do. That is the reality which you have a great disconnect from.

 

[|2 /-\ | /|/]

Point is you claimed the photo is reality as you clearly didn't do the slightest amount of reading (less than 15 seconds) to understand it was not or have the smallest amount of knowledge to understand it was clearly staged.
That is the unfortunate reality of dealing with the "Stable Genius" crowd.

Now I never denied that people haven't lost their job or business, I haven't seen any of the hundreds of business contacts do so, and most that are successful businesses will not, those that were already struggling businesses will more than likely do. That is the reality which you have a great disconnect from.

Again missing the context, the point of it all. It’s like talking to someone with adhd. Can’t focus, tangent off, straw man without seeing the big picture.

Point is again for the3rd time. Government fucked up and keeps fucking up. They can improve but they keep repeating same mistakes. Some areas are doing well like hospitals, they can also improve. Government can improve by taking care of the front line workers better like paying for the PPE, equipment, isolation and wage premiums which they are not and have failed miserably. Government can build or acquire spaces or warehouses, stockpile PPE and equipment and be ready for next outbreak to protect hospitals and front line workers. Masks work, social distancing works, minimizing the amount of people in a room works. Compete lockdowns don’t work and are just creating a bigger problem, such as business shut down, livelihoods destroyed, people getting homeless, evicted, dependent on substance abuse, overwhelming our hospitals, streets, crimes will increase and it will keep spiraling downwards when it could have been prevented with proper management measures from government. That is your reality, more business shut down, more broken homes, more broken people, higher crime rates etc.

Now do you have the ability to comprehend what I said, counter with some logic and sound points and opinions and actually recognize where the problems are in the system or will you just keep resorting to picking up where I didn’t cross my Tees or dot my Is and completely ignore the points being discussed like straw man fallacy.

 

[doggystyle99]

Again missing the context, the point of it all. It’s like talking to someone with adhd. Can’t focus, tangent off, straw man without seeing the big picture.

Point is again for the3rd time. Government fucked up and keeps fucking up. They can improve but they keep repeating same mistakes. Some areas are doing well like hospitals, they can also improve. Government can improve by taking care of the front line workers better like paying for the PPE, equipment, isolation and wage premiums which they are not and have failed miserably. Government can build or acquire spaces or warehouses, stockpile PPE and equipment and be ready for next outbreak to protect hospitals and front line workers. Masks work, social distancing works, minimizing the amount of people in a room works. Compete lockdowns don’t work and are just creating a bigger problem, such as business shut down, livelihoods destroyed, people getting homeless, evicted, dependent on substance abuse, overwhelming our hospitals, streets, crimes will increase and it will keep spiraling downwards when it could have been prevented with proper management measures from government. That is your reality, more business shut down, more broken homes, more broken people, higher crime rates etc.

Now do you have the ability to comprehend what I said, counter with some logic and sound points and opinions and actually recognize where the problems are in the system or will you just keep resorting to picking up where I didn’t cross my Tees or dot my Is and completely ignore the points being discussed like straw man fallacy.

No I understood it well. You claimed it was reality because your lack of knowledge and low attention span didn't allow you to do a quick search to understand it was staged and got cought

If your assertion is this could be in the future that's a whole other argument which you clearly didn't make.
Whether government fucked up or not has no relevance on the fact that you tried to pass it off as reality meanwhile it's staged. Now if you are asking if I think government should do more for businesses yes I think they should but the same people who have been complaining all along "Natural Born Complainers" about preventive measures will be the same that will also be complaining the government is draining our financial resources for an unnecessary shutdown.

 

[|2 /-\ | /|/]

No I understood it well. You claimed it was reality because your lack of knowledge and low attention span didn't allow you to do a quick search to understand it was staged and got cought

If your assertion is this could be in the future that's a whole other argument which you clearly didn't make.
Whether government fucked up or not has no relevance on the fact that you tried to pass it off as reality meanwhile it's staged. Now if you are asking if I think government should do more for businesses yes I think they should but the same people who have been complaining all along "Natural Born Complainers" about preventive measures will be the same that will also be complaining the government is draining our financial resources for an unnecessary shutdown.

Would it matter if I used a generic image of showing business shutting down? BTW the second photo is not even Toronto but another city with an example of what high crime rates feels like. Why not pick that one out as well.

I think we both agree the lockdowns caused many businesses to shut down. I think we both agree that the lockdowns have cause direct forced evictions and resulted in homelessness to some degree.

it appears that you support lockdowns. I am against complete lockdowns like Adams BBQ restaurant and believe it will further contribute towards more business hurt, more homelessness and more problems. I think it can be managed better without complete lockdowns.

Reason I posted here is to see if this kind of mindset automatically get me put into the label of covid denier or are people actually open to making the system better and avoid bigger problems by actual identification of real problems in the system and how it can be improved and better managed.

Now the question is do they think they are too far into this that actual changes like better support for frontline workers is the way to go or are they just hoping for a Hail Mary from the vaccine and that everything will just get better. I think this is very risky and could push us to a point where it will be very hard to return from.

 

[TeeJay]

Point is you claimed the photo is reality as you clearly didn't do the slightest amount of reading (less than 15 seconds) to understand it was not or have the smallest amount of knowledge to understand it was clearly staged.
That is the unfortunate reality of dealing with the "Stable Genius" crowd.

Now I never denied that people haven't lost their job or business, I haven't seen any of the hundreds of business contacts do so, and most that are successful businesses will not, those that were already struggling businesses will more than likely do. That is the reality which you have a great disconnect from.

I think it is pretty obvious by now you have no idea what Stable Genius even means
You love to repeat yourself ad naseum in every thread for some reason

It AMAZES me you can downplay the economic and mental health issues
Both of which will result in far more deaths than covid ever did

 

[TeeJay]

Incorrect you made the statement it's the reality, and it certainly is not, you have zero ability to understand it was staged.

This is the reality

No he made the comment it was YOUR reality
Again; read

 

[Rako3]

What efforts would save the lives of smokers? Are you going to find a way to take away their free will? Lock them up somewhere by force & make them go cold turkey?

Those starting smoking now won't die for decades. Those dying of C-19 in a few weeks. C-19 is the more immediate & present danger that needs to be dealt with now.

Lockdowns & other extreme safety measures have already saved more from death by C-19 in months than die from smoking in a full year.

Additionally many C-19 survivors are sufferings long term ill health due to being infected.

Coca Cola used to have cocaine. They had to take it out. Guess that infringed on some people's free will.

 

[glamphotographer]

Get out of Mom's basement and a job where they are forced to wear a mask.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

Go to a hospital that is treating COVID patients, walk into a room where a COVID patient is being treated and say to the person who is struggling to breathe, "Get the fuck up and quit faking it, there is no such thing as a COVID-19 virus."

When you're done doing that, tell the staff who have been working 12-hour days that they don't need to keep up the charade...

I tried to, but they wouldn't let me into the hospital because I wasn't wearing a mask.

Any other suggestions?

 

[Fun For All]

I tried to, but they wouldn't let me into the hospital because I wasn't wearing a mask.

Any other suggestions?

Sure...I believe you...

 

[jcpro]

Get out of Mom's basement and a job where they are forced to wear a mask.

LOL! Which is pretty much every job, these days. If you ever actually left your basement, you would know that. Hint, follow your own advice.