Nah, but if you pay them less you'll only attract people like boober and larue, not people who are smart and considering dedicating their lives to teaching.
‘We’re losing our patience’: Doug Ford slams teachers’ unions
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Questions that follow logically from your post:
1) Are you saying that our public schools have been recruiting inferior teachers because we've been paying too little? Are you therefore saying that our education system is failing, because our teachers aren't good enough? How much should teachers be paid to attract teachers who are good enough?
2) If a reasonable measure of the adequacy of pay is the number of people who would apply for the position at its rate of pay, how do you explain the enormous numbers of teachers college graduates who are waiting in line for years for available teaching positions? Are these all the inadequate teachers you were talking about? If we increase the pay, how many years would it take to replace our current inadequate teachers with these superior teachers who would now begin to apply?
Maybe instead of accusing others of not reading you should do your research and try to think beyond a piece of paper in front of you.
The member countries are noted on the OECD website: http://www.oecd.org/about/
1) No, paying teachers decently means that smart people think it a good career choice, which leads to better teachers.
2) The long lineups of applicants is exactly how the board can choose the best teachers from a bigger pool which is better for the kids.
No they don't considering the pensions, sick days and other perks the union teachers get.
What makes them better is the quality of teachers that perform, and ensure their students perform and if not they are let go. Unlike these job-for-life union hacks that mail it in knowing they can't get fired but keep getting money thrown at them.
That's why the current public school system will never come close to the level of education private schools can offer.
If you truly believe education should be a top priority for a society, then you should be campaigning to dissolve the union so that the best teachers remain.
The long lineups of new teachers are caused by the union seniority system. Retired teachers still have seniority for teaching opportunities (up to a certain number of days per year without affecting their pensions).
So rather than getting current, modern age teachers eager to teach, the kids usually get old, out of date , retired hacks that are bored and want to keep making money.
Paying the best teachers decently is fair. But how do you determine who the best teachers are? In a union, "the best" just means the ones who have been there longer.
Private school teachers need to actually work at helping their students succeed and are reviewed on progress and contributions regularly. If they don't perform, they're gone. If there's a chronic disruptive kid in the class affecting the other students, they're gone.
No wonder private education is way better. It's not run by a union.
That might be an answer, if it didn't completely avoid the questions posed. There is already an oversupply of applicants to become teachers at current compensation levels. Aren't these applicants "smart"? How about the teachers we already have? They applied for their job when the compensation was even lower. Does that mean they are even dumber than the the new recruits?
Since we already have a long lineup, what is the problem with the compensation?
Not much, which is why they appear to be only asking for the cost of inflation.
Do you think that bothers me?
You have proven your lack of skills so many times it is comical. I have seen how often you get it wrong
So I just laugh at you if you "Do not believe me"
Exactly how would you know what paying decently is ?
you stated the average teachers salary was $60K
So you believed the status quo was $60K and thus acceptable. after all they would not have signed the barging agreement if 60K in 2019 was not acceptable.
Unless of course you were being disingenuous when you made that post and your real intent was to mislead others .
So which is it
a) You truly believe teachers are overpaid by 50% @ 90K or
b) You intentionally want to mislead others & have zero respect for the truth ?
I suspect b is the answer
Funny to see how you react to being called out on your made up bullshit, retreating to your usual home of claiming opinion is fact.
Except for those at a large number of private schools now referred to as credit mills.
At most private schools, kids can't fail; their response is to either gift kids a 70% to appease the parents or toss the kid out.
Again, my only experience is the private sector but we tend to offer enough compensation to draw good candidates. The biggest issue I see with unionized teachers is not the pay but rather the difficulty in getting rid of the bad ones.
If you want to flip things around, you get nonsensical statements. The salary seems to draw a large enough pool of candidates so we can pick the best. The US pays much lower and in many districts, they have so much trouble attracting candidates so they are stuck hiring the dregs and hoping they work out. Again, the US style system that many on the right seem to prefer scores well below Canada's on international testing.
Haha sounds like a smear campaign for those who can't afford private schools in a way to justify why they are stuck in the shitty public system.
Most private schools require entrance tests just to attend. If you can't keep up with the workload and/or grades, you're gone.
It's not a race to the bottom like in the public system where teachers have to cater to the lowest performing students at the expense of other students.
I'm glad you mentioned that. And let's think about that for a moment.
Education, one of the most important things in society; what everyone who sides with the teachers union says it's all about; yet we have accepted an arrangement whereby teachers who are not good teachers, are allowed to teach our kids with little that can be done to remove them.
Add to that, the union seniority system. So not only can't we remove bad teachers, they get dibs on positions, often at the expense of good teachers with less seniority.
And when they want more money or anything else, they use the students as bargaining chips, keeping them out of school for days, sometimes weeks.
Honestly, given the choice, do you want a union teacher educating your kids or a private teacher?
The answer should be: the best teacher should educate my kid.
I'll leave it to you to decide in which system the best teachers usually reside.
