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‘We’re losing our patience’: Doug Ford slams teachers’ unions

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‘We’re losing our patience’: Doug Ford slams teachers’ unions ahead of week filled with job action

BY RYAN ROCCA GLOBAL NEWS

Posted February 2, 2020 1:43 pm

Updated February 2, 2020 3:42 pm

Ontario Premier Doug Ford slammed the province’s teachers’ unions Sunday, ahead of a week filled with walk-outs.

“The parents are losing their patience, we’re losing our patience,” Ford said.

“Let the teachers get back in the classrooms.”

Ford made the remarks at the Wiarton Willie Festival on Groundhog Day, when he was asked about the ongoing teacher strikes during a media scrum.

“I support the front-line teachers,” he said.

“I think the men and women that are serving out there work their backs off, they do a great job. I don’t support the head of the unions that are causing all these problems right across the province.”

Ford’s comments, however, are contrasted by votes the province’s four teachers’ unions previously held, which they each said resulted in overwhelming strike mandates from their members.

Some protesters criticizing the Ford government’s handling of the teachers’ strikes attended the Wiarton Willie Festival, but told Global News they were instructed to leave the property.

Ford’s remarks came ahead of a week filled with labour action by Ontario teachers’ unions.

The Elementary Teachers’ Federation of Ontario (ETFO) has several rotating strikes planned and is set to hold a province-wide walkout on Thursday.

The Ontario English Catholic Teachers’ Association (OECTA), meanwhile, is planning a province-wide walkout for its members on Tuesday, while the Ontario Secondary School Teachers Federation (OSSTF) has walkouts planned at select boards for that day.

The government has said that the unions have made compensation the “top priority” at the bargaining table. The unions, however, have said they are fighting for student supports.

“Of course parents are losing patience, but all evidence tells us they’re losing patience with the Ford government and its short-sighted pursuit of reckless cuts that will damage students’ opportunities and Ontario’s future economy,” OSSTF president Harvey Bischof said in a statement Sunday in response to Ford’s comments.

“If the Premier truly believes that union leadership is the impediment to a deal, he should exercise his right to require my members to vote on the government’s offer. Let’s see if larger classes, fewer course options, reduced supports from education workers, and Alabama-style mandatory e-learning get my members’ approval.”

Talks between ETFO and the government resumed on Wednesday after a six-week hiatus, but on Friday talks broke down with no future negotiation dates planned.

Talks are scheduled this week between the government and OECTA. The Association des enseignantes et des enseignants franco-ontarien (AEFO), which represents teachers in the French-language system and has also been engaged in labour action, will also have negotiations.

No bargaining dates are currently planned for OSSTF.

Meanwhile, Ford said he has personally heard people “absolutely everywhere” tell him they support the government in the ongoing tensions, including some teachers.

“This is all about lining the pockets of the unions — not protecting our children — it’s about lining the pockets of our unions. Not the teachers, but the unions,” Ford said.

“They have to get back in the classroom, bottom line … These unions are holding the people hostage — and the kids. It’s unfair.”

OECTA responded to Ford’s comments in a statement Sunday.

“We are the last line of defence against their reckless cuts to education, and we have to put pressure on the government to come to the bargaining table with a plan to reach a fair agreement,” the statement read.

“Catholic teachers are strongly united in this fight – when presented with the issues at the bargaining table, OECTA members gave an overwhelming 97.1 per cent mandate to take strike action if necessary.”

ETFO would not provide a response to Ford’s remarks and AEFO did not respond to Global News’ request for comment by the time of publication.

—With files from the Canadian Press

https://globalnews.ca/news/6496178/doug-ford-slams-teachers-unions/
 

Frankfooter

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He could have been negotiating all this time.
Just saying.
 

JohnLarue

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You left out the unions & the word extortion

i do not think the teachers will appreciate them being called babysitters

Perhaps You should change your picture to read entitled, spoiled babysitters making an average of $93,000 a year
Just to be slightly more accurate
 

Charlemagne

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You left out the unions & the word extortion

i do not think the teachers will appreciate them being called babysitters

Perhaps You should change your picture to read entitled, spoiled babysitters making an average of $93,000 a year
Just to be slightly more accurate
Striking is legal. I get it, it's comparible to a crime when YOU and your ilk don't like it!
 

Dutch Oven

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I wonder if Ford is trying to use this conflict to justify replacing the current education sector labour laws with no strike/mandatory interest arbitration model? It's something he should be doing, if he's not prepared to take the political heat to do what really needs to be done - headcount education funding. I think most Ontarians would understand why teachers should be treated the same as other essential public services.
 

Frankfooter

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I wonder if Ford is trying to use this conflict to justify replacing the current education sector labour laws with no strike/mandatory interest arbitration model? It's something he should be doing, if he's not prepared to take the political heat to do what really needs to be done - headcount education funding. I think most Ontarians would understand why teachers should be treated the same as other essential public services.
That would guarantee no conservative government in Ontario for many years.
 

mandrill

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That would guarantee no conservative government in Ontario for many years.
I think Doofo has already pretty much done this. He doesn't have enough political support to fight a teachers' strike, but he's going to try anyway. This should chop a few more % points of his already meager polling numbers.
 

mandrill

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You left out the unions & the word extortion

i do not think the teachers will appreciate them being called babysitters

Perhaps You should change your picture to read entitled, spoiled babysitters making an average of $93,000 a year
Just to be slightly more accurate
In Larue-land, well qualified professionals with a couple of university degrees should only make decent money if they're in the corporate sector. Next, Larue will be telling us that judges should be making $24,000.00 a year.
 

Anbarandy

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In Larue-land, well qualified professionals with a couple of university degrees should only make decent money if they're in the corporate sector. Next, Larue will be telling us that judges should be making $24,000.00 a year.
Better yet, he will argue that judicial proceedings should be adjudicated by private, corporate for profit, online tweets and likes.

Just think of the possibilities:

FaceJudge.arse; DollarPerRuling.cum; TrumpLawSchool.corruption; LaRueDumpTruck.conjob
 

Boober69

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In Larue-land, well qualified professionals with a couple of university degrees should only make decent money if they're in the corporate sector. Next, Larue will be telling us that judges should be making $24,000.00 a year.
...or maybe $200k+ like the union leaders.
 

nottyboi

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Sounds like an early sign of capitulation. Time for the teachers to ramp up the pressure and announce a 1 week total strike.
 

Dutch Oven

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That would guarantee no conservative government in Ontario for many years.
The teachers have that many votes? I didn't realize the problem was as bad as that! The Liberals really were asleep at the switch!

I think Ontarians with school aged kids would welcome the assurance that teachers would never be on strike again.
 

JohnLarue

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Striking is legal. I get it, it's comparible to a crime when YOU and your ilk don't like it!
Agree to what we demand or else.

Hyperbole aside
This is just plain common sense & simple math

1. The teachers average salary is $93,000 & they are demanding a 2% raise so they want $95,000 (close enough)
But
2.
In 2017, any Canadian making $96,000 (or more) was in the top 10 per cent.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...-paid-more-than-54-of-total-income-taxes.html

(I bet the vast majority of those in the top 10% do not get July & August off, March Break, PE days etc)

3.
The Ontario government debt is the net amount of money the Government of Ontario has borrowed from the general public, institutional investors and public-sector bodies. As of March 31, 2018, the Ontario government's total debt is projected to be CDN$348.79 billion.[5] The Debt-to-GDP ratio for 2017-2018 is 37.1% and interest on the debt is CDN$11.97 billion, representing 8.0% of Ontario's revenue and its fourth-largest spending area.[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_government_debt

4. Interest rates have no way to go but up (sideways for a while perhaps) over the long haul
ie think a generation in time, but also think about a generation of school kids

you like the word "sustainable" don't you?

Explain how this situation is sustainable?

Think about the kids in school right now
They will be the ones who have to deal with this debt problem, and it will be a massive and devastating problem for them

so the teachers union slogan (this time) is "cuts hurt kids"
How about "Greed hurts kids, but we want what we want and we want it now"
 

Frankfooter

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Agree to what we demand or else.

Hyperbole aside
This is just plain common sense & simple math

1. The teachers average salary is $93,000 & they are demanding a 2% raise so they want $95,000 (close enough)
But
2.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...-paid-more-than-54-of-total-income-taxes.html

(I bet the vast majority of those in the top 10% do not get July & August off, March Break, PE days etc)

3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_government_debt

4. Interest rates have no way to go but up (sideways for a while perhaps) over the long haul
ie think a generation in time, but also think about a generation of school kids

you like the word "sustainable" don't you?

Explain how this situation is sustainable?

Think about the kids in school right now
They will be the ones who have to deal with this debt problem, and it will be a massive and devastating problem for them

so the teachers union slogan (this time) is "cuts hurt kids"
How about "Greed hurts kids, but we want what we want and we want it now"

Payscale says its only $60k a year.
https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=High_School_Teacher/Salary/004c9fd6/Toronto-ON

And if you look at the salary grids the average larue says is happening doesn't look likely at all.
Elementary.
https://ett.ca/salary-grid-for-tdsb-elementary-teachers/
Secondary.
http://dpsuoecta.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Secondary-Teachers-Salary-Grid-Feb-2017-Aug-2019.pdf

Could it be that larue is cooking the books again?
 

Darts

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well qualified professionals with a couple of university degrees should only make decent money if they're in the corporate sector.
Huge difference between the private sector (subject to market discipline) and the public sector (monopoly).
 

basketcase

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Huge difference between the private sector (subject to market discipline) and the public sector (monopoly).
So you are against John comparing teachers to public sector then? The 'market forces' that drive education is the learning of the students and international testing has them at the top of the world.


p.s. Funny to see Ford exposed repeatedly. After the elementary talks broke off he claimed that the failure was the union making new demands despite them being listed this summer. Also wonder which of his staffers wrote the $50,000+ cheque for the adds from 'working' parents.
 
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