I don't care what anyone says, an escort choosing not to see a particular race of people is not on the same level as, let's say, a dentist saying white patients only, or even the baker saying they won't make the wedding cake for a same sex marriage. What about us as customers? If I had a spreadsheet of every escort I have seen, it would likely be 90% white girls, with a somewhat even split of Asian and Black women as the remainder. Am I racist now because my generally favourite women to have sex with are white? I used to see an ad for a well known black SP in my area and she had all these "no racism" labels on her ad "I see everyone, no matter their race" kind of things. OK, well that's great. It only makes sense as a visible minority in this business to not limit your client base to your own race. I used to go to organized social gatherings that would be set up through these various message boards and the stereotype of older white guy clients certainly fit the demo of the guys that would attend.
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Mutually assured destruction works only when both parties can lose something of the same value. Thus, it works for SPs and a client who is in trades or self-employed or have a business. It does not work if the client is a mid to high-level government employee or a doctor or employed in a profession with "ethics" standards and earns north of $200K as he has much more to lose than the SP does. This is why requiring IDs results in SPs losing some of the most courteous and safest clients and ending up with a higher proportion of douchebags.
"Can also be" is the key phrase here. Noone argue that it is true, they "can also be". But statistically speaking (if one would ever do a statistical analysis on this), they are not.
What does any of this have to do with (checks thread title) a Toronto client review boatd?
Ah, you see, you have chosen an example of low interaction (a patient silently sitting in a dentist's chair) or almost no interaction (buying a cake). How about a dentist choosing someone working for him at the reception? Or a private tutor? Or even a contractor for your house renovation? Assuming you have no access to the internet and no other information about these people except the race, and the price is the same.
They also lose the creeps who go into a session with bad intentions, and the men that aren't stable enough to use traditional banking (if they want an EMT). If I was an otherwise busy escort I know what choice I'd make.
Just to recap:
Toronto client review board -> only SPs should be allowed there -> SPs are more vulnerable than clients -> It is OK for SPs to ask for clients' IDs -> my comment that it will prevent the safest and most cautious group (white old dudes) from seeing SPs who ask for IDs thus making SPs less save -> a shit show about racism
Such men do not care about providing their IDs, unless they plan the aggression ahead and have basic computer literacy to make a picture of a fake ID online.
I think most SPs would disagree on that.
I strongly suspect than many clients who are in the, "Bitch might misunderstand if I get a little carried away!" column are going to avoid ID requirements. Just in case there is a "misunderstanding".
Ignoring your assumptions about the level computer skills amongst older guys, the most common form of local IDing is the EMT deposit, and that's rather hard to fake.
As far as client privacy goes :
1) Clients should frankly asses the risk factors in their life (relationships, jobs with morality clauses, and public profile), and their comfort with ID requirements.
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2) Adopt a sliding scale of trust. As a client you should always do your due diligence. For the GTA I would suggest putting classified only providers on one end of the scale, and established domestic agencies and reputable independents with community engagement on the other.
A client should think through, and be consistent, about how much screening they're comfortable with at various points along their scale.
I take it you, and most "nice" older guys, wouldn't be comfortable with a large dude conspicuously sitting in the next room?
So basically what the 'privacy minded' guys end up asking for is complete vulnerability from providers. There are providers that will accept those terms (like every streetwalker that hopped in a car), but if I had the option not to put myself in that position I would take it.
Well, I will be among the ones who would switch to MAs walk-in places or Asian agencies before submitting an online verifiable payment or showing my ID. I am sure there will always be plenty of good, reliable, all-race agencies that will cater to people like me, and we will not go into the USA "verification" madness where SPs hold all the power and clients are at their mercy. How about a panic button and on-call security services for SPs (especially for agencies, but independent can do that too, as long as they get together and chip in for that security) - wouldn't it be a safer option for everyone? Not "a large dude conspicuously sitting in the next room" but someone who can get their under 10 minutes is a much better option for me than giving up my name and address.
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I do agree that there are potentially reasonable alternatives to EMT as id, but few are as low overhead time and cost wise.
I'm also not suggesting mandatory ID.
Like I said, clients need to assess their risk and level of comfort, do their due diligence, and have asliding scale of trust that is consistent and works for them.
I do agree that there are potentially reasonable alternatives to EMT as id, but few are as low overhead time and cost wise.
I'm also not suggesting mandatory ID.
Like I said, clients need to assess their risk and level of comfort, do their due diligence, and have asliding scale of trust that is consistent and works for them.
Gentlemen, just remember, as a person hiring escort you're considered the lowest form of life by most girls here and have no rights only liabilities:
If you don't want to pay a deposit: you're a loser,
If you paid deposit and got ghosted: you're a loser
If you don't want to provide your ID: you're a loser
If you provided your ID and it got stolen: you're a loser.
Your privacy means nothing and no one will be sorry if you lose your money/privacy to fraud of unknow girl. I lost my deposit to well reviewed girl on this forum who simply ghosted me. Was anyone sorry for me: Hell NO! Yesman on this forum will also tell you that you're a loser and stop complaining and crying. This is just facts, sadly.
If you don't want to pay a deposit: you're a loser,
If you paid deposit and got ghosted: you're a loser
If you don't want to provide your ID: you're a loser
If you provided your ID and it got stolen: you're a loser.
Your privacy means nothing and no one will be sorry if you lose your money/privacy to fraud of unknow girl. I lost my deposit to well reviewed girl on this forum who simply ghosted me. Was anyone sorry for me: Hell NO! Yesman on this forum will also tell you that you're a loser and stop complaining and crying. This is just facts, sadly.
And just to add: it is a crime for the client to miss the appointment, but completely OK for an SP to do so.
I think the way this thread has gone is proof that a client review board would be real bad for a few of you.
A man created this forum to be shared by both women and men equally. Women on this forum want to create a forum for women only to share about men.
We also will never know who and what is being discussed on that client review board lol. But there are thousands yesmen like you and only one like me
Who do you think women want more: one of many or a unique one?
I don’t think sex workers are interested in running some kind of formal review board. Information gets shared when it actually matters like if someone crosses a line, tries to film without consent, removes protection, or behaves aggressively.
Beyond that, most of us aren’t concerned with appearances or measuring anyone up. What actually counts is respect, clear consent, and above all good hygiene.
To me, TERB feels more like a clubhouse for certain men who want a backstage pass to the industry, very much the “if I were a woman, I’d totally do this” crowd. And I can say that without flinching, because most of my clients are TERB readers, not the self-proclaimed “I’ve seen 150 providers” veterans. (I’m not referring to the gentlemen who ask if they can write something kind about a SW.)
I’ve been in this industry long enough to know one thing for sure: clients aren’t one-size-fits-all. The same person can be a dream with one provider and a disaster with another. I’ve had clients for over eight years who feel more like old friends at this point, yet I know for a fact some of those same men are on someone else’s blacklist. Funny how that works.
Beyond that, most of us aren’t concerned with appearances or measuring anyone up. What actually counts is respect, clear consent, and above all good hygiene.
To me, TERB feels more like a clubhouse for certain men who want a backstage pass to the industry, very much the “if I were a woman, I’d totally do this” crowd. And I can say that without flinching, because most of my clients are TERB readers, not the self-proclaimed “I’ve seen 150 providers” veterans. (I’m not referring to the gentlemen who ask if they can write something kind about a SW.)
I’ve been in this industry long enough to know one thing for sure: clients aren’t one-size-fits-all. The same person can be a dream with one provider and a disaster with another. I’ve had clients for over eight years who feel more like old friends at this point, yet I know for a fact some of those same men are on someone else’s blacklist. Funny how that works.
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Actually my regular I see once a week had to cancel last min and she offered me a discount my next appointment. It was upheld with a big smile on her face. So some do actually respect your time and your business.
I wasn't calling you out but I'm a 'yesman' now? I personally don't care what public or private comments someone has about me, I don't operate in a manner that I should be ashamed of, but I guess my comment struck a nerve with you, so I guess we learned something today.A man created this forum to be shared by both women and men equally. Women on this forum want to create a forum for women only to share about men.
We also will never know who and what is being discussed on that client review board lol. But there are thousands yesmen like you and only one like me
If women in this industry have or had a board like this where they talked about clients like some of y'all do, I'd still be all for it bc it would mainly be for their safety. I'm not afraid of what they might say about how I treat them here or in sessions.
What do I think they want more: one of many or a unique one? I think they don't really care about that as much as they want to be safe and healthy and earn a living, which means figuring out who's gonna waste their time, scam them, or hurt them or worse. Some of y'all have your whole asses out here on a forum they can see just to look like tough dudes who are unique or some shit. W/e, keep doing you.
So, would you send me your ID? Why do you feel comfortable sending it to a person you never saw and who doesn't even show your their face? Besides, I wrote earlier how collection and storage of personal data can be dangerous and can be misused even without malicious intention of original collector. You clearly stated what is there for her, but what is there for you? Women love confidence, and confidence starts with self-respect, right? Then why wouldn't you at least ask yourself what is in it for you, and not for her?
Said a guy who doesn't consider himself a 'yesman'. It's not about what they say, it's about being able to defend yourself. Will you be fine if you were blocked by all SPs and you had no idea why? And some of them have your ID as well, so they know where you work and presumably know if you have a spouse. I encourage you to read about SipsTea appplication which was 'women' only. And once it was breached (AI slop, wohooo!) some dudes found out that their exces were literally called them rapists. We have this forum, if somebody writes 'Forzafonz is bigotted nazi racist misgonist pedo rapist avoid' that would be nice to know at least who did that. I mean i know i am pissing off a lot of liberal women with my stance, and if you're not pro-liberal you quickly become all of that that i wrote, but yeah tough life haha And you clearly want to show your eagerness to serve and say 'yes' no matter what to women on this forum, not to lead and guide.
I might send you my ID if I wanted to stick my dick in you and you said you required it for it for your protection, bc again you've never seen me before. I feel comfortable sending ID some times, and the times I'm not I make a conscious choice not to see that provider. I don't hop on here and complain about it. You don't want to send ID, don't. No one's forcing you to.
Just so you know, they all talk about us anyway, they don't need a secret website to do it. I'm glad you're out here 'leading and guiding' tho.
