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Phil C. McNasty

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I dunno, CM and TJ should be in a special padded room gaggled and key thrown away. Phil is probably in the waiting room being examined if he should join them
Hey smartypants, why do you think most doctors and nurses wear N95 masks inside hospitals??

Lets see if you can figure this one out
 

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Hey smartypants, why do you think most doctors and nurses wear N95 masks inside hospitals??

Lets see if you can figure this one out
Actually many wear the blue medical masks. Some with visors on top and a few without. I dropped someone off at Emerg Saturday night (non covid related) and took note of that. Hope my factual visual hasn't upset your narrative, if so, sorry. Ah, not really, I enjoy showing you the errors of your way and hopefully help keep you out of the padded room.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Actually many wear the blue medical masks. Some with visors on top and a few without. I dropped someone off at Emerg Saturday night (non covid related) and took note of that. Hope my factual visual hasn't upset your narrative, if so, sorry. Ah, not really, I enjoy showing you the errors of your way and hopefully help keep you out of the padded room
Thats because surgical masks help stop spread of bacteria (mainly from splashes or large droplets). What you probably dont know is that bacteria are 100 times the size of viruses. To stop viruses you need to wear an N95 mask.

What does this pic say?? (its right from the CDC website)

 

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Not when you take into account a virus thats as contagious as Covid.

The masks people are currently wearing has air that escaped from the sides, the top and the bottom.
The virus is airborne, in a small confined space like a store, a streetcar or bus, that air will circulate itself within minutes and infect others around you.

Current masks people are wearing dont do shit, and the numbers would back up that assertion
Mine is a double cloth with filter, nose wire, under chin and eslasticity with tight fit right to my ears, and against my cheek bones. I have several I rotate and wash. As do all my friends and family. So far we have been clear. Of course add in all the other precautions as well.

And I see alot of similar ones on the TTC and in the grocery. Still lots of stupid people who don't get the concept too. But they do help.
 
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I dunno, CM and TJ should be in a special padded room gaggled and key thrown away. Phil is probably in the waiting room being examined if he should join them.
I agree. Those guys are delusional. Phil is just stubborn.
 

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Its you who's lost the debate, you've seen new cases increase while masks were mandated and now you cannot admit you're wrong
Cases increase, but you completely refuse to acknowledge that the cause of the infectivity rate is multifactorial. But all you talk about is masks, masks and more masks. Occasionally you also mention masks as well.

It is ridiculous to ignore people's behaviour which is probably 10X more significant than whether a mask is 95% sealed or 90 or 50, especially when so many people don't wear masks and have parties and gatherings. TGiving, Hallowe'en parties, Xmas, New Years. Are you aware that those events occurred because I only hear you talk about masks? It seems that your blinkers block out reality more than a N95 blocks the virus.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Cases increase, but you completely refuse to acknowledge that the cause of the infectivity rate is multifactorial
Of course its multifactorial. The fact there are flu seasons is one big factor.
And there are many others.

But I've said this over and over again, when masks were mandated around July 14th the new infection rate stayed steady (see red line in graph), and didnt come down as many "experts" predicted. Therefore, when all other factors stayed constant, the masks should have reduced new cases, but they didnt


 

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Thats because surgical masks help stop spread of bacteria (mainly from splashes or large droplets). What you probably dont know is that bacteria are 100 times the size of viruses. To stop viruses you need to wear an N95 mask.

What does this pic say?? (its right from the CDC website)
Phil, would you be interested if I speak with the head brass at the hospital about you going in as an expert to go over with their policy and protocol on the usage of proper PPE ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you're hilarious.
 

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Of course its multifactorial. The fact there are flu seasons is one big factor.
And there are many others.

But I've said this over and over again, when masks were mandated around July 14th the new infection rate stayed steady (see red line in graph), and didnt come down as many "experts" predicted. Therefore, when all other factors stayed constant, the masks should have reduced new cases, but they didnt
And many people were already wearing masks. It's not like it went from nobody wearing masks to everybody. Tell us, when masks were mandated what was the increase in mask wearing? You have no idea.

And you are wrong because by the end of Aug. cases were under 200 and then got down to double digits. So cases most definitely went down.

And people were spending more time outdoors. Then it got colder and people moved indoors in Oct. and Nov. And then holidays came.

And all you talk about is masks but never people's behaviour. You want a realistic assessment, then you need to get real and accept that many factors are involved, not just masks.
 

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Hey smartypants, why do you think most doctors and nurses wear N95 masks inside hospitals??

Lets see if you can figure this one out
I bet you don't even shave before putting your N95 on.

Why is it so challenging for you to understand that no mask eliminates the risk and the choice of mask is simply risk management. The medical community sees surgical masks okay in low risk situations but you somehow know better. Sadly your only 'evidence' is that people are still getting sick despite mask mandates.

If you want to argue that we need to implement the highest possible precautions then there are numerous steps up the chain you could be arguing for starting with face shields to protect the eyes.
 

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Thats because surgical masks help stop spread of bacteria (mainly from splashes or large droplets). What you probably dont know is that bacteria are 100 times the size of viruses. To stop viruses you need to wear an N95 mask.
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Are we going back to your claims that aerosolized virus particles are too small to be blocked by surgical masks?
 

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Of course its multifactorial. The fact there are flu seasons is one big factor.
And there are many others.

But I've said this over and over again, when masks were mandated around July 14th the new infection rate stayed steady (see red line in graph), and didnt come down as many "experts" predicted. Therefore, when all other factors stayed constant, the masks should have reduced new cases, but they didnt


Stupidly you ignore that mask wearing was common starting in April and mandatory in many stores by early June. If you cared to consider that, it corresponds quite well with the drop in cases in May and June. Do you know anyone who wasn't wearing a mask in stores by June?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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And many people were already wearing masks. It's not like it went from nobody wearing masks to everybody. Tell us, when masks were mandated what was the increase in mask wearing? You have no idea
I do have an idea, I remember quite clearly people who wore masks before the mandate were maybe 10 to 20% of all the people I saw in stores and supermarkets

And you are wrong because by the end of Aug. cases were under 200 and then got down to double digits. So cases most definitely went down
On July 15th new cases were at 102.
By the end of August new cases were at 114.
Look it up

And people were spending more time outdoors. Then it got colder and people moved indoors in Oct. and Nov. And then holidays came
Yeah, its called the start of flu season.
When weather gets colder flu's and common colds increase, why should Covid be any different??

And all you talk about is masks but never people's behaviour. You want a realistic assessment, then you need to get real and accept that many factors are involved, not just masks
I never said there were no other factors involved.
But this thread is focused on masks people are currently wearing, which arent good enough
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I bet you don't even shave before putting your N95 on
Another one of your stupid comments, I shave every day

Why is it so challenging for you to understand that no mask eliminates the risk and the choice of mask is simply risk management. The medical community sees surgical masks okay in low risk situations but you somehow know better
I'm going by the data, and it shows it hasnt made any difference.
You should perhaps take a course in math and/or statistics

If you want to argue that we need to implement the highest possible precautions then there are numerous steps up the chain you could be arguing for starting with face shields to protect the eyes
Covid is airborne, face shields let even more air escape through the top, the sides and the bottom.
In addition to math and statistics, you should perhaps take a course in physics as well 😂
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Are we going back to your claims that aerosolized virus particles are too small to be blocked by surgical masks?
Its not just my claim, its the CDC's claim as well. This pic is right from their website:

 

Phil C. McNasty

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Stupidly you ignore that mask wearing was common starting in April and mandatory in many stores by early June. If you cared to consider that, it corresponds quite well with the drop in cases in May and June. Do you know anyone who wasn't wearing a mask in stores by June?
The majority of people werent wearing mask in May and June. The drop in Covid cases were because of the after-effects of the lockdown, it had nothing to do with a few people wearing masks
 

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I do have an idea, I remember quite clearly people who wore masks before the mandate were maybe 10 to 20% of all the people I saw in stores and supermarkets
No way. By June most store were mandating masks. That's when you saw so many videos of Karens and Kens where everybody else was wearing masks in those stores. I say that by mid-June masking was at least 80% in stores and most residential buildings had regulations in place.


On July 15th new cases were at 102.
By the end of August new cases were at 114.
Look it up
And in between it got down to double digits. Look it up.


I never said there were no other factors involved.
But this thread is focused on masks people are currently wearing, which arent good enough
Yet every time other factors were introduced you only wanted to talk about masks. You always downplayed the other factors.

Your mantra was, "Cases went up today. It proves that masks are useless." I remember how happy you were to post this.

So when you say that, you are saying that no other factors matter.
 

shack

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Cases in Ontario were down to 1,700 yesterday from a high of about 3,600 on Jan. 7. The masks are working.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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No way. By June most store were mandating masks. That's when you saw so many videos of Karens and Kens where everybody else was wearing masks in those stores. I say that by mid-June masking was at least 80% in stores and most residential buildings had regulations in place
Not true. Some stores urged customers to wear masks, but they would still let you shop if you didnt have one.
The Karens were very isolated incidents. Some werent even in Ontario, they were in the US

And in between it got down to double digits. Look it up
You are cherry-picking a few days where it went under 100, but completely ignoring all the other weeks after July 14th where it went between 100 and 150 and gradually started going up in late summer

Yet every time other factors were introduced you only wanted to talk about masks. You always downplayed the other factors
Again, this thread is about masks

Your mantra was, "Cases went up today. It proves that masks are useless." I remember how happy you were to post this
I never said I was happy with new cases going up. You're making up bullshit now

So when you say that, you are saying that no other factors matter
Other factors do matter, but those factors stayed pretty much constant during the July 14th to September 14th time period.
If anything some of the other factors should have reduced new cases drastically because in the summer almost everyone's outside, and the virus is much harder to spread outside than inside
 
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