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Read and learn:

National Post Pulls Factually Incorrect Story That Falsely Claimed 800,000 ‘Ineligible People’ Received CERB


No, 800,000 ineligible Canadians did not receive the CERB.

Do you hear that?

It's the sound of crickets emanating from Goosei-shit and Pepe LaRotten's 'let them eat gruel' pie holes.

And don't you just love it when they expend so much of their money grubbing time and infinite ' fiscal conservative capitalist' indignant outrage rabidly and manically arguing for and defending what amounts to be nothing more than a pack of lies, fake news and well just plain ole goose shit.
 
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Do you hear that?

It's the sound of crickets emanating from Goosei-shit and Pepe LaRotten's 'let them eat gruel' pie holes.

And don't you just love it when they expend so much of their money grubbing time and infinite ' fiscal conservative capitalist' indignant outrage rabidly and manically arguing for and defending what amounts to be nothing more than a pack of lies, fake news and well just plain ole goose shit.
Also note that the National Post is right-leaning.
 

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Do you hear that?

It's the sound of crickets emanating from Goosei-shit and Pepe LaRotten's 'let them eat gruel' pie holes.

And don't you just love it when they expend so much of their money grubbing time and infinite ' fiscal conservative capitalist' indignant outrage rabidly and manically arguing for and defending what amounts to be nothing more than a pack of lies, fake news and well just plain ole goose shit.
Despite the story being pulled the facts the Trudeau government screwed up remain intact


“For the emergency benefits, there is no requirement for individuals to have filed a tax return,” a CRA spokesperson clarified.
so PostMedia had to pull the article because they had implied this was criteria

However the criteria as per www.canada.ca is still relevant
Who can apply: CERB with CRA - Canada.ca
Eligibility criteria for who can apply for the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) with the CRA.
www.canada.ca
www.canada.ca

Eligibility criteria
To be eligible for the $2,000 CERB payment, you must have met the following conditions during the period you are applying for:

You did not apply for, nor receive, CERB or EI benefits from Service Canada for the same eligibility period
You did not quit your job voluntarily
You reside in Canada and are at least 15 years old
You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:
employment income
self-employment income
provincial benefit payments related to maternity or parental leave
One of the following:
Your work hours have been reduced because of COVID-19 (see last checkbox below for more details)
You have stopped or will stop working because of COVID 19
You are unable to work because of COVID-19, for example because you are taking care of someone
You have been paid EI regular or fishing benefits for at least one week of benefits since December 29, 2019 and have used up your entitlement to those benefits

Nowhere does it explicitly state anyone had to have filed a tax return as a criteria, so PostMedia had to pull the article because they had implied this was criteria

However this is still a criteria as per www.canada.ca
You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:

Simple logic should tell you that if you earned 5,000 or more in the last 12 months there is a T4 slip or you had self -employment income and therefore you should have filed a tax return

Do you have to file a return?
File a return for 2019 if:
you have to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for 2019. This can apply if your total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.

One had to earn a minimum of $5,000 in 2019 to qualify for CERB, however if you earned more than $3,500 you need to file a tax return
While not explicitly stated if you did not file a tax return, you either should not be eligible for CERB or you have a CRA issue


The pulling of the article does not change the fact that the liberal government has no way of determining who in the 800,000 should or should not have received the CERB because of their incompetent ready , shoot , aim planning
Where are the crickets now??


What is real interesting is the quote from https://pressprogress.ca/national-p...aimed-800000-ineligible-people-received-cerb/

According to Canadaland, dozens of current and former Postmedia journalists have raised concerns about company executives directing “all of its papers to shift to the political right, in an unprecedented, centralized fashion” in recent years.
How does that reconcile with the blatant and obvious left bias of the CBC or any of the left leaning media that took Justin's bribe?
The big irony is this from an extremely left leaning source pressprogress.ca
Where are the raised concerns over the left bias in the media which is very blatant and very widespread?

The job of the media should be to preset facts, without bias
Most journalist are taught this, however it appears they have lost sight of this fundamental principle and wish to mold news rather than report it
 
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Tedds added that “the National Post should be embarrassed at how its bias leads to such disgusting errors.”

Postmedia has itself received $21 million through emergency wage subsidies during the COVID-19 pandemic, although the company recently announced plans to layoff local newspaper journalists despite posting a fourth quarter profit.
As usual this right wing media comes up with such blatant lies although they are the ones to benefit from these programs and yet they layoff some journalists. Probably the ones who have unbiased integrity will be the first ones to be shown out of the door. Once again this thread is proven to be Fake!!
 
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Despite the story being pulled the facts the Trudeau government screwed up remain intact



so PostMedia had to pull the article because they had implied this was criteria

However the criteria as per www.canada.ca is still relevant
Who can apply: CERB with CRA - Canada.ca
Eligibility criteria for who can apply for the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) with the CRA.
www.canada.ca
www.canada.ca




Nowhere does it explicitly state anyone had to have filed a tax return as a criteria, so PostMedia had to pull the article because they had implied this was criteria

However this is still a criteria as per www.canada.ca
You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:

Simple logic should tell you that if you earned 5,000 or more in the last 12 months there is a T4 slip or you had self -employment income and therefore you should have filed a tax return

Do you have to file a return?
File a return for 2019 if:
you have to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for 2019. This can apply if your total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.

One had to earn a minimum of $5,000 in 2019 to qualify for CERB, however if you earned more than $3,500 you need to file a tax return
While not explicitly stated if you did not file a tax return, you either should not be eligible for CERB or you have a CRA issue


The pulling of the article does not change the fact that the liberal government has no way of determining who in the 800,000 should or should not have received the CERB because of their incompetent ready , shoot , aim planning
Where are the crickets now??


What is real interesting is the quote from https://pressprogress.ca/national-p...aimed-800000-ineligible-people-received-cerb/



How does that reconcile with the blatant and obvious left bias of the CBC or any of the left leaning media that took Justin's bribe?
The big irony is this from an extremely left leaning source pressprogress.ca
Where are the raised concerns over the left bias in the media which is very blatant and very widespread?

The job of the media should be to preset facts, without bias
Most journalist are taught this, however it appears they have lost sight of this fundamental principle and wish to mold news rather than report it
Crickets, cricket, crickets ............. Squish
 
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Crickets, cricket, crickets ............. Squish
What part do you not understand ?

1. Criteria to qualify for CERB as per www.canada.ca
You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:

2, Requirement to file a tax return as per CRA
File a return for 2019 if:
you have to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for 2019. This can apply if your total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.

3. $5,000 > $,3500

or

4. You can not put two pieces of information together?

Please let us know which one confused you & we shall do what we can to help you
 

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What part do you not understand ?

1. Criteria to qualify for CERB as per www.canada.ca
You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:

2, Requirement to file a tax return as per CRA
File a return for 2019 if:
you have to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for 2019. This can apply if your total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.

3. $5,000 > $,3500

or

4. You can not put two pieces of information together?

Please let us know which one confused you & we shall do what we can to help you
Straight from the CRA:


In a statement to PressProgress, Canada Revenue Agency confirmed that filing taxes is not a requirement to be considered eligible for CERB.


“For the emergency benefits, there is no requirement for individuals to have filed a tax return,” a CRA spokesperson clarified.


“As such, it would be erroneous to conclude that claims from applicants who have not filed a tax return are being paid out to fraudsters or to non-eligible individuals.”



Also, from the CRA CERB web page (https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/benefits/apply-for-cerb-with-cra/who-apply.html):


Eligibility criteria

To be eligible for the $2,000 CERB payment, you must have met the following conditions during the period you are applying for:


  • You did not apply for, nor receive, CERB or EI benefits from Service Canada for the same eligibility period
  • You did not quit your job voluntarily
  • You reside in Canada and are at least 15 years old
  • You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:
    • employment income
    • self-employment income
    • provincial benefit payments related to maternity or parental leave
  • One of the following:
    • Your work hours have been reduced because of COVID-19 (see last checkbox below for more details)
    • You have stopped or will stop working because of COVID 19
    • You are unable to work because of COVID-19, for example because you are taking care of someone
    • You have been paid EI regular or fishing benefits for at least one week of benefits since December 29, 2019 and have used up your entitlement to those benefits
  • One of the following:
    • If you are applying for the first time: You have stopped or will stop working, or you are working reduced hours due to COVID-19, and you don't expect to earn over $1,000 in employment or self-employment income (before deductions) for at least 14 days in a row during the 4-week period.
    • If you are applying for a subsequent period: You are still not working, or you are working reduced hours due to COVID-19, and don't expect to earn over $1,000 in employment or self-employment income (before deductions), and you expect this to continue during the entire 4-week period.
Failing to file a tax return is NOT a disqualifying factor.

Who should we trust, you or the CRA?
 
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What part do you not understand ?

1. Criteria to qualify for CERB as per www.canada.ca
You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:

2, Requirement to file a tax return as per CRA
#2 is blatantly false, as noted by the National Post as the specific reason they pulled their argument.
Poor larue, he never can learn.
 
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Straight from the CRA:


In a statement to PressProgress, Canada Revenue Agency confirmed that filing taxes is not a requirement to be considered eligible for CERB.


“For the emergency benefits, there is no requirement for individuals to have filed a tax return,” a CRA spokesperson clarified.


“As such, it would be erroneous to conclude that claims from applicants who have not filed a tax return are being paid out to fraudsters or to non-eligible individuals.”



Also, from the CRA CERB web page (https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/benefits/apply-for-cerb-with-cra/who-apply.html):


Eligibility criteria

To be eligible for the $2,000 CERB payment, you must have met the following conditions during the period you are applying for:


  • You did not apply for, nor receive, CERB or EI benefits from Service Canada for the same eligibility period
  • You did not quit your job voluntarily
  • You reside in Canada and are at least 15 years old
  • You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:
    • employment income
    • self-employment income
    • provincial benefit payments related to maternity or parental leave
  • One of the following:
    • Your work hours have been reduced because of COVID-19 (see last checkbox below for more details)
    • You have stopped or will stop working because of COVID 19
    • You are unable to work because of COVID-19, for example because you are taking care of someone
    • You have been paid EI regular or fishing benefits for at least one week of benefits since December 29, 2019 and have used up your entitlement to those benefits
  • One of the following:
    • If you are applying for the first time: You have stopped or will stop working, or you are working reduced hours due to COVID-19, and you don't expect to earn over $1,000 in employment or self-employment income (before deductions) for at least 14 days in a row during the 4-week period.
    • If you are applying for a subsequent period: You are still not working, or you are working reduced hours due to COVID-19, and don't expect to earn over $1,000 in employment or self-employment income (before deductions), and you expect this to continue during the entire 4-week period.
Failing to file a tax return is NOT a disqualifying factor.

Who should we trust, you or the CRA?

You do not need to trust me, however you should be able to put two pieces of information together

1. Criteria to qualify for CERB as per www.canada.ca
You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:

2, Requirement to file a tax return as per CRA
Do you have to file a return? - Canada.ca
This page provides information on when you are required to file an income tax return.
www.canada.ca
www.canada.ca
File a return for 2019 if:
you have to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for 2019. This can apply if your total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.

3. $5,000 > $,3500

So name a scenario in which someone qualifies for the CERB (i.e earned a minimum of $5,000 in 2019) , however are not required to file a tax return (ie total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.) ???



A. if you qualify for CERB you had to have earned a minimum of $5,000 in 2019
B. If you made $5,000 in 2019 (ie > $3,500) , you are required to file a tax return


If A is true, then B must be true

Your desire to attack me apparently prevented you from connecting the dots , despite having them drawn out for you
 

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You do not need to trust me, however you should be able to put two pieces of information together

1. Criteria to qualify for CERB as per www.canada.ca
You earned a minimum of $5,000 (before taxes) in the last 12 months, or in 2019, from one or more of the following sources:

2, Requirement to file a tax return as per CRA
Do you have to file a return? - Canada.ca
This page provides information on when you are required to file an income tax return.
www.canada.ca
www.canada.ca
File a return for 2019 if:
you have to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for 2019. This can apply if your total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.

3. $5,000 > $,3500

So name a scenario in which someone qualifies for the CERB (i.e earned a minimum of $5,000 in 2019) , however are not required to file a tax return (ie total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.) ???



A. if you qualify for CERB you had to have earned a minimum of $5,000 in 2019
B. If you made $5,000 in 2019 (ie > $3,500) , you are required to file a tax return


If A is true, then B must be true

Your desire to attack me apparently prevented you from connecting the dots , despite having them drawn out for you
Keep harping needlessly on your beliefs and interpretations. I will listen instead to what the CRA says, officially. That is what counts, not your words. In no way have I attacked you in my response to your statement. If you are pulling the ‘personal attack’ card, here, you are admitting the weakness of your position. Just because you say so doesn’t make it true, especially when you contradict the tax authorities. They stated clearly that not filing a 2019 tax return was not a reason to deny a claim, or to render a claim as ineligible. I thought your reading comprehension and logic would be better than you have just indicated. Give up while you are able to do so graciously. End of discussion.
 
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Keep harping needlessly on your beliefs and interpretations. I will listen instead to what the CRA says, officially.
That is what counts, not your words. Just because you say so doesn’t make it true, especially when you contradict the tax authorities. They stated clearly that not filing a 2019 tax return was not a reason to deny a claim, or to render a claim as ineligible. I thought your reading comprehension and logic would be better than you have just indicated. End of discussion.

Nope: not the end of the discussion


So name a scenario in which someone qualifies for the CERB (i.e earned a minimum of $5,000 in 2019) , however are not required to file a 2019 tax return (ie total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.) ???

Are you having a difficult time with putting two pieces of information together or

Are you having a difficult time determining if $5,000 is greater than $3,500?


if you do not believe me about the CRAs requirement to file a tax return, look it up yourself. It is on the www.Canada.ca website

Do you have to file a return?
File a return for 2019 if:

  • you have to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for 2019. This can apply if your total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500. See line 22200

So name a scenario in which someone qualifies for the CERB (i.e earned a minimum of $5,000 in 2019) , however are not required to file a 2019 tax return (ie total net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500.) ???

mathematically impossible

How can a mathematically impossible scenario be the end of the discussion?
 

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I would have thought you would know $5,000 > $3,500
You are hopeless.

READ WHAT THE CRA AUTHORITIES STATED ABOUT NOT BEING REQUIRED TO FILE A RETURN AND ELIGIBILITY FOR CERB!

Another ignorant individual who is wasting our time, here. I DON'T NEED TO WASTE MY TIME ON YOUR IGNORANT REPLIES. Just stop your arrogance. On ignore you go.
 
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JohnLarue

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Yuo are hopeless.

READ WHAT THE CRA AUTHORITIES STATED!

Another ignorant individual who is wasting our time, here. Just stop your arrogance. On ignore you go.

Put me on ignore if you want
Do you think that matters to me?


READ WHAT THE CRA AUTHORITIES STATED
"Canada Revenue Agency confirmed that filing taxes is not a requirement to be considered eligible for CERB."

He is no doubt correct as the CRA did not screen the
applicants and likely did not have a mandate to screen applicants (it turns out they should have)

So CREB is sent out without checking with CRA (big mistake) , but the CRA does not explicitly state a filing is an eligibility required

however anyone making enough to qualify for CERB ($5,000) , by default is required to have filed a tax return based on the CRA rules (>$3,500)
BTW $5,000 is > than $3,500

A) if you made more than $3,500 in 2019 you are required to file a return
B) And the only way you qualify for CERB is if you made $5,000 in 2019

So once again, provide a
scenario where some is able to qualify for CERB but not required to file a tax return ?
What dollar
amount of income makes this scenario possible ?

You will likely put me on ignore as that is easier for you than admitting I am correct
 

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Put me on ignore if you want
Do you think that matters to me?


READ WHAT THE CRA AUTHORITIES STATED
"Canada Revenue Agency confirmed that filing taxes is not a requirement to be considered eligible for CERB."
Doesn't matter if you're supposed to, if you didn't file you are still eligible for CERB.
 
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I actually have worked with the government. Have you? What is your source of knowledge as to how the government works? So, shut the fuck up with your bullshit.
Did you work for the Canadian Revenue Agency because I have a family member who currently does and says you're wrong. It could have easily been done.
 
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Did you work for the Canadian Revenue Agency because I have a family member who currently does and says you're wrong. It could have easily been done.
I seriously doubt that you have a family member who works for the CRA. You are simply stating it to pretend that you are right and others are wrong. Prove it by telling me in a PM their name, and I can look them up.

Once again, the CRA stated that it WAS NOT a requirement to file an income tax return to apply for the CERB. THIS WAS MADE PUBLIC in a news announcement. In addition, the employee MUST be authorised to access that information, unless they want to lose their job, pay a fine, or go to jail, under the Income Tax Act. Human Resources and Development Canada does not have access to tax files, either, if you are thinking that HRDC could 'look up' that information.
 
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The government will go after the double dippers who applied through CRA and Service Canada and those who are also receiving money from another program.
The rest will be written off.
For many, CERB was essentially a free universal income. No vetting and no repercussions.
 
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