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mandrill

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I do kind of love when the frothy right just does the "Here's a thing that was already public but we will pretend it is a scandal!!!" like this.

The public testimony by Hutchinson covered how she ditched her Trump lawyer after early testimony because she didn't like what was happening and being part of the cover up.
Now they release messages where she was trying to find ways to get out from her Trump lawyer and get the real evidence to the committee as if it is scandal.

They really think their supporters are idiots.
Why would they ever think that, I wonder?
 
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mandrill

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There was about 3 seconds where he said the words "Reading, Writing, Rithmetic".
He did also say he wanted to get rid of the Department of Education and you just need one guy.

Then the rest was about transgenderism being foisted on 5 year olds.
(And then some bit about jobs at the end.)

It is pretty clear what part Trump considered important and it wasn't the three Rs.

There's no intense editing here.
We see the whole question and Trump's answer.
Even if we leave out the transgenderism, it's still gabble-nonsense that makes no sense.
 

silentkisser

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Biden didn't just say he showed up...he said he showed up the following day...he didn't...he lied. You should be asking yourself why he would lie about that and why you don't hold him to account like you do others.
There was indeed speculation about Biden's mental state...the fact is the Dems and left-wing media did everything they could to hide it until they couldn't any longer.
You seriously think Trump (or anyone else in a Manhattan building) couldn't see the smoke?
Tell you what, I'll hold Biden accountable for his lies when you do that for all of Trump's massive list. The reality here is that compared to Trump, Biden is the most honest politician in history. But, let's compare the lies: Biden lied that he went to Ground Zero immediately after the attack. That wasn't true, obviously. But he did got within a week or so. There are pictures of him being there. Trump said he went down to help with the recovery, and sent men to help. Which is not true at all. Officials kept track of who was allowed onto the site...and shockingly (not really) neither Trump or anyone affiliated with him were there. Now....what is the bigger lie? One where someone mischaracterized the day they went by a few days, or the person who claimed they "helped" with the recovery and didn't do fuck all. AND....if I recall correctly, Trump also claimed he donated thousands of dollars to rescue or relief efforts....yet there is no record of these donations.

I know you probably won't believe this...but here is CNN talking about Trump and 9/11:



Now, onto Biden. As much as you want to pretend the media is left-wing or what not, they do not lie like Fox. I know you're use to them spouting the GOP line as if it were the word of god. But the NYT/WaPo/CNN and many other newsrooms would not ignore a fact like Biden was in no longer capable.
 

silentkisser

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Just because Democrats are better and less obvious at lying doesn't mean they don't.
You totally missed the point about Biden saying he was there the next day...he tried to make it seem like he put urgency and importance on being there...he didn't. He lied.

"Mischaracterization"....is that the new pass you give people you like when they lie?
Like Walz saying he was in Tiananmen Square during the protests, but wasn't? So he admits he "misspoke"?

Wow.
Never said they didn't lie, but they don't lie to the extent of Trump. But, let's be realistic here. It is safe to say virtually all politicians lie. They might do it by omission, exaggeration or just try to spin things to make them sounds less damning. But, they usually don't make shit up. Trump does all of this, including the making shit up and taking credit for others work. Lying for Trump comes as easy as breathing for the rest of us. I mean, him and Vance made up a whole backstory for Haitian immigrants eating people's pets! Vance admitted he lied to get coverage....which led to that town getting inundated with bomb threats and bad publicity.

You seem to give a free pass for Trump. I do not. Nor do I give one for any politician. But, I am also realistic, and have the ability to see nuance. Things get said in the heat of the moment, when rhetoric gets in the way of accuracy. But, for example, was Walz in Hong Kong during the Tianamen protests? Yes, he was. Now, thankfully, we have fact checkers, which I know Trump and Vance HATE...so, this has already come out and Walz has since clarified things.
 

silentkisser

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In what universe did she ace a single interview?

She hasn't had one interview that wasn't a cringe-worthy disaster that left her interviewers stunned & horrified.
Sure, keep telling yourself that. If you only read Fox or stuff from the right-wing echo chamber, you would be forgiven for believing that...well, maybe not forgiven, but it does explain the cognitive dissonance between that thinking and factual reality. I know Kelly Ann Conway talked about alternative facts, so what ever...
 

richaceg

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Never said they didn't lie, but they don't lie to the extent of Trump. But, let's be realistic here. It is safe to say virtually all politicians lie.

You seem to give a free pass for Trump. I do not. Nor do I give one for any politician. But, I am also realistic, and have the ability to see nuance. Things get said in the heat of the moment, when rhetoric gets in the way of accuracy. But, for example, was Walz in Hong Kong during the Tianamen protests? Yes, he was. Now, thankfully, we have fact checkers, which I know Trump and Vance HATE...so, this has already come out and Walz has since clarified things.
Lying is terrible no matter what...You're ready to give Kamala a free pass because he's not Trump...This is personal for you...When you get countered that Kamala lies too, you pivot and started attacking Trump as "unhealthy" or whatever personal imperfections he has. What has Kamala has done and will do that offers "change" from the current Biden Administration? She already stated she will just be like Biden and that's why her polls dropped...Americans want nothing of what Biden has done...and what's up with the last "town hall"?
 

Skoob

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Never said they didn't lie, but they don't lie to the extent of Trump. But, let's be realistic here. It is safe to say virtually all politicians lie. They might do it by omission, exaggeration or just try to spin things to make them sounds less damning. But, they usually don't make shit up. Trump does all of this, including the making shit up and taking credit for others work. Lying for Trump comes as easy as breathing for the rest of us. I mean, him and Vance made up a whole backstory for Haitian immigrants eating people's pets! Vance admitted he lied to get coverage....which led to that town getting inundated with bomb threats and bad publicity.

You seem to give a free pass for Trump. I do not. Nor do I give one for any politician. But, I am also realistic, and have the ability to see nuance. Things get said in the heat of the moment, when rhetoric gets in the way of accuracy. But, for example, was Walz in Hong Kong during the Tianamen protests? Yes, he was. Now, thankfully, we have fact checkers, which I know Trump and Vance HATE...so, this has already come out and Walz has since clarified things.
Is there a "lying scale" you are using for determining extent?
Kamala plagiarizing parts of her book is not "taking credit" for others?

Like I said, one may be better at it than another.

If you've somehow convinced yourself that one side lies more than the other, you may want to check your cognitive bias.

i.e. if you expect someone is lying because you just don't like them, then everything will appear to be a lie and vise versa.
 

Skoob

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Tell you what, I'll hold Biden accountable for his lies when you do that for all of Trump's massive list. The reality here is that compared to Trump, Biden is the most honest politician in history. But, let's compare the lies: Biden lied that he went to Ground Zero immediately after the attack. That wasn't true, obviously. But he did got within a week or so. There are pictures of him being there. Trump said he went down to help with the recovery, and sent men to help. Which is not true at all. Officials kept track of who was allowed onto the site...and shockingly (not really) neither Trump or anyone affiliated with him were there. Now....what is the bigger lie? One where someone mischaracterized the day they went by a few days, or the person who claimed they "helped" with the recovery and didn't do fuck all. AND....if I recall correctly, Trump also claimed he donated thousands of dollars to rescue or relief efforts....yet there is no record of these donations.

I know you probably won't believe this...but here is CNN talking about Trump and 9/11:



Now, onto Biden. As much as you want to pretend the media is left-wing or what not, they do not lie like Fox. I know you're use to them spouting the GOP line as if it were the word of god. But the NYT/WaPo/CNN and many other newsrooms would not ignore a fact like Biden was in no longer capable.
Quantity or quality of lies doesn't matter in this context.

In fact, I would argue that if Biden is so righteous and trustworthy in your mind, than he shouldn't be lying about anything. The fact that he has, are glimpses into his true colours.
 

silentkisser

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Lying is terrible no matter what...You're ready to give Kamala a free pass because he's not Trump...This is personal for you...When you get countered that Kamala lies too, you pivot and started attacking Trump as "unhealthy" or whatever personal imperfections he has. What has Kamala has done and will do that offers "change" from the current Biden Administration? She already stated she will just be like Biden and that's why her polls dropped...Americans want nothing of what Biden has done...and what's up with the last "town hall"?
Hard to make the argument that you aren't all tied in knots about the fact that a black-Indian women who you claim is a DEI candidate might be president. Regardless if she lied like Trump, she would be a much better president. And if you feel so strongly about lying, why aren't you slamming Trump? I don't recall seeing that at all. So, please, spare me the indignation. You and the other right-wingers on this board are just suckers for this bullshit.
 

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I worked for John Kelly and don’t believe him. His last ditch effort to stop Donald Trump is desperate. This is a personal vendetta from a staffer who failed at his job and believed as a chief of staff that he should have been the ultimate decisionmaker. President Trump loves America, will preserve our freedoms, and has done more for the Jewish people than any other president.
 

silentkisser

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Quantity or quality of lies doesn't matter in this context.

In fact, I would argue that if Biden is so righteous and trustworthy in your mind, than he shouldn't be lying about anything. The fact that he has, are glimpses into his true colours.
First, I think you should understand that I am not someone who believes everything I hear. Unlike many of the right-wingers on this board, who seem to believe whatever Trump of the Faux News echo chamber spews. So, never have I said that I think Biden never lies, nor do I take what he says without a grain of salt.

The major difference here: Biden's lies are, when compared to Trump, are few and far between. He doesn't lie about major things. You may not like that, but nor do I. But, I understand the media game very well. And I understand the nuance. It isn't black or white, but Biden doesn't also make up shit like Trump. So, if we're looking at someones true colours, Biden is significantly more trustworthy than Trump on any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
 
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