Bill Maher on The View Full Interview May 21, 2024

[richaceg]

Complains the guy who endorses genocide and apartheid and mocks dying people. In fact one member got so disgusted by Shack's comment, he left the board permanently.

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here's what we're dealing here folks...no awareness of what's going on in the ME...
Israel is THE SAFE Haven for homosexuals in the middle east

Kautliya but but...Judaism Christianity are also homophobic....LOL...gays aren't thrown off buildings or beheaded in Israel...they're endangered in Gaza, Iran, Syria, Yemen...

 

[richaceg]

Those gay people in Gaza are safer in Gaza with Palestinians than in Israel where they are considered sub-human Rich. Do you know how many Palestinians are held without due process and tortured in Israeli prisons? Yeah, safe to say you have no clue about what is going on in the ME.

gay people in gaza are safer in Gaza? ... that post is so far from reality...
2. Treatment of Sexual Minorities by Society and Authorities
2.1 Societal Attitudes
According to sources, homosexuality is condemned in Palestinian society (Haaretz 21 Feb. 2018; Toameh 12 June 2018). Sources state that homosexuality is a taboo in the Palestinian Territories (Vice 19 Feb. 2013; Haaretz 21 Feb. 2018). According to sources, sexual minorities face stigma in Palestinian society (Toameh 12 June 2018; PhD Candidate 13 Nov. 2018; Haaretz 21 Feb. 2018). Toameh indicates that Palestinian society does not recognize and respect the rights of sexual minorities (Toameh 12 June 2018).

The PhD candidate highlighted that "[t]here are few systematic polls evaluating society's attitudes toward sexual minorities in Palestine in particular" (PhD Candidate 13 Nov. 2018). The Online Content Editor further noted that

[w]hile in recent years a number of organizations, reports, and research publications have engaged with issues surrounding LGBTQ communities in the Palestinian Territories to advocate for their protection and civil rights, comprehensive and accurate assessments remain absent. (Online Content Editor 12 Nov. 2018)

According to a 2013 Pew Research Center survey, 93 percent of those surveyed in the Palestinian Territories indicated that homosexuality should be rejected (Pew Research Center 4 June 2013).

According to Haaretz, homosexuals cannot live openly in Gaza or the West Bank (Haaretz 21 Feb. 2018). The PhD candidate stated that interviews he conducted with LGBT Palestinians, primarily in the West Bank,


2.2 Incidents
Toameh indicates that over the past decades, several gay Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank and Gaza (Toameh 12 June 2018).

According to sources, the following incidents involving sexual minorities in the Palestinian Territories have occurred:

• In 2016, Hamas killed a top Hamas commander for being homosexual (Toameh 12 June 2018) or being accused (among others) of being homosexual (Haaretz 21 Feb. 2018; The New York Times 1 Mar. 2016);
• In 2017, "ome Palestinians claimed PA security officers and neighbors harassed, abused, and sometimes arrested LGBTI individuals because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. NGOs reported Hamas also harassed and detained persons due to their sexual orientation or gender identity" (US 20 Apr. 2018, 109).
  [*]In 2018, the Hamas Interior Ministry interrogated and later released a producer of a television comedy about gay people in Gaza after it drew "strong condemnations" from Palestinians (Toameh 12 June 2018).
  

in case you ask i got the info?

Responses to Information Requests - Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

www.irb-cisr.gc.ca

a.k.a.
Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada...

 

[Frankfooter]

Free Palestine? Where is Palestine? You mean free Gaza? Free the Palestinians? They were free, they had an election, and they chose Hamas who never wanted their freedom... hamas chose war over Palestinians...and they are now paying for it...

From river to sea, rich.
Free Palestine.

End zionism entirely, its a genocidal movement like the nazis now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794011511985156475

 

[Frankfooter]

Listen, rich, you're talking to a guy who endorses violence against women. And kidnapping is no big deal either. This guy is diving head first into the depravity of hate.

Kautilya said:
The are getting kidnapped and an adult woman got slapped around a bit by kidnappers. Nothing to cry about,

How disgusting can somebody be?

Are you talking about the video Israel is pushing with the doctored translations and edits?
You might as well be posting this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793600762158911740

 

[Frankfooter]

gay people in gaza are safer in Gaza? ... that post is so far from reality...

Is this really how you're trying to justify your support of genocide, rich?
By lying and trying to claim you're really an activist for LGBTQ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793857324534403545

 

[richaceg]

We know that being gay is not legal in Gaza, just like it is not legal in Russia or many other Muslim countries, or the way it used to be even in Canada. Gay people are unsafe in Muslim majority Gaza just the same way they are unsafe in Christian majority Russia. Aka, Islam, Christianity, Judaism all expressly prohibit homosexuality. Case closed.

Now let us focus on what your argument truly is. You are arguing that just because gay people are oppressed in a country, the people of that country are inferior and should therefore be genocided, with no opposition. This is the senseless argument you are making. This is the argument I will now focus on because it truly represents what you are actually saying.

1st paragraph - delusional take... You keep dragging Christianity and Judaism... nobody is beheading and executes gays...it would be a crime to do so....
2nd paragraph...you sound pissed (maybe because you can't really debate regarding Islam and Homosexuality not compatible as I pointed out) So now you are admitting gay people are oppressed in Muslim countries (your words)... i must be thinking people in those countries are inferior (again your words or interpretation) and genocided with no opposition (again, your interpretation)
Right from the start of the thread "Israel at War" or heck even Oct 7 occurred...I've been debating with Franky probably 2 years max about my disdain of Hamas and their fond of blowing shit up in residential area.... yes...Hamas...not palestinians... you can trace it if you really want to dig it out...not once have I said...Palestinians....it has always been Hamas...you on the other hand boldly calls out people of Israel or what was that..."Israel is a terrorist State"? basically everyone in Israel is a terrorist to you...racist fuck.

 

[richaceg]

Gay people are oppressed by all cultures, in all religions and in all countries to varying levels, and especially so in religious ones like Russia or many other Muslim countries. Even in countries like India, gay people face challenges, even though Hinduism is actually accepting of homosexuality and transgenderism. They faced challenges in Canada, and they face challenges and violence in the US. Muslim countries are no different.

If you only believe in taking out Hamas, then you should not have brought up the former argument about Muslim countries and gay people because we are talking about ending the war, and providing the Palestinians the freedom and sovereignty. But you want to delegitimize their calls for sovereignty and instead say "Oh gay people are oppressed" - which implicitly means you think that they should not have their own state, which consequently means that their oppression continues and they live as a subjugated people. So I am right in my judgement that what you are actually saying is: "You are arguing that just because gay people are oppressed in a country, the people of that country are inferior and should therefore be genocided, with no opposition".

And yes Israel is a terrorist state. They objectively have committed war crimes, terrorism and genocide in Palestine. Nothing to do with race. Israel is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multi-cultural STATE. Not a race.

and you said Israel is a terrorist state...Is Palestine (recognized now as a state) a terrorist state?

 

[richaceg]

Gay people are oppressed by all cultures, in all religions and in all countries to varying levels, and especially so in religious ones like Russia or many other Muslim countries. Even in countries like India, gay people face challenges, even though Hinduism is actually accepting of homosexuality and transgenderism. They faced challenges in Canada, and they face challenges and violence in the US. Muslim countries are no different.

If you only believe in taking out Hamas, then you should not have brought up the former argument about Muslim countries and gay people because we are talking about ending the war, and providing the Palestinians the freedom and sovereignty. But you want to delegitimize their calls for sovereignty and instead say "Oh gay people are oppressed" - which implicitly means you think that they should not have their own state, which consequently means that their oppression continues and they live as a subjugated people. So I am right in my judgement that what you are actually saying is: "You are arguing that just because gay people are oppressed in a country, the people of that country are inferior and should therefore be genocided, with no opposition".

My first post.. ."Is Islam anti gay? that's a yes or no answer... but you can't without dragging christianity and Judaism...so ok cool drag them... where is homosexuals more safer...you can't answer it...
you are all over the place...Hamas are terrorists...they don't represent all of Islam...they are actually the ones that give Islam a bad rep...and you keep defending them...that's the problem...just like Palestinians are not the problem...it's Hamas...you on the other hand conveniently paint entire state of Israel...not a faction or certain groups in Israel...just the whole state anybody that walks in there...that's the difference between you and me...you cry "racism" and advocate for it...LOL

 

[richaceg]

No, it is not.

And I agree with you on that....but disagree with you on your take on Israel.... I don't have hate on Palestinians....or jews...you have... we're not a like after all...

 

[Frankfooter]

I've been debating with Franky probably 2 years max about my disdain of Hamas and their fond of blowing shit up in residential area.

Which side are you saying is fond of blowing up residential shit?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794015378290753922

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792485428005834778

 

[Frankfooter]

And I agree with you on that....but disagree with you on your take on Israel.... I don't have hate on Palestinians....or jews...you have... we're not a like after all...

If you don't hate Palestinians why are you supporting genocide in the face of ICJ and ICC news?

 

[shack]

Complains the guy who endorses genocide and apartheid and mocks dying people.

At least you are not denying that you endorse violence against women.

I mock the people who support Hamas' Oct.7 attack which started the war and then whine about the Israeli reprisal which everyone knew was coming. I have never mocked the suffering of the Gazans. I condemn their suffering at the hands of Hamas who are leading them to their demise.

 

[richaceg]

If you don't hate Palestinians why are you supporting genocide in the face of ICJ and ICC news?

Where did I say I support genocide of Palestinians? Indont support hamas and had they went foe peace instead of war...none of this will happen.

 

[richaceg]

As I said, your argument with gay people in a thread about Israel's assault on Gaza, amidst calls for Palestinian sovereignty, amounts to this: "You are arguing that just because gay people are oppressed in a country, the people of that country are inferior and should therefore be genocided, with no opposition".

And I agree with your take on Hamas. But show me ONE post where I have defended Hamas? There are none. I have always said, take out Hamas via covert operations and stop the war immediately and work on a solution to resolve the 75 year old conflict. And calling Israel a terrorist state is appropriate. You are confusing the Israeli state with the Israeli people.

If you agree, then why did you laugh emote my post? I dont have hate for Jews. I have never used the word Jews with another negative statement (or even a positive statement for that matter). I always use Zionist or Israel which is appropriate.

I laugh at the stupidity of your argument... you call Israel a terrorist state and Palestinian not when it's ruled by terrorist...you keep hiding your hatred of jews with the word zionist as if it's not obvious...well keep this in a loop all year round...

 

[shack]

I am not denying it because I never endorsed it. I said I wasn't going to feel sympathy for a woman who was being slapped around, when 25000 women and children are being genocided by Israel.

She didn't just "get slapped around a bit", she had the shit kicked out of her. So under certain circumstances you endorse beating a defenseless woman? When you justify beating a woman, you endorsed Hamas' actions of torturing women. There is NEVER justification for beating a defenseless woman. This is not a matter of comparing Israel to Hamas. It is unjustifiably wrong. That was a disgusting comment and shows what a hateful person you are. You need help.

You mocked 300K people dying of disease SOLELY due to Israeli actions, and have mocked the 35000 deaths that are SOLELY due to Israel's actions. That was clear from my earlier post and DinkleMouse's response as well.

100% wrong. As I said, I mocked the people who cheered on Oct.7, but subsequently whine when the obvious reprisal occurred. Actions have consequences. You can't have it both ways.

You may not understand the difference between mocking deaths and mocking opinions, but fortunately most people with a modicum of intellect do.

 

[richaceg]

I am not denying it because I never endorsed it. I said I wasn't going to feel sympathy for a woman who was being slapped around, when 25000 women and children are being genocided by Israel. You mocked 300K people dying of disease SOLELY due to Israeli actions, and have mocked the 35000 deaths that are SOLELY due to Israel's actions. That was clear from my earlier post and DinkleMouse's response as well.

Pathetic...she was beaten before even all this happened...so a few months later, the abuse she got from your boys (hamas) were justified because Israel retaliated?

 

[Frankfooter]

I mock the people who support Hamas' Oct.7 attack which started the war and then whine about the Israeli reprisal which everyone knew was coming. I have never mocked the suffering of the Gazans. I condemn their suffering at the hands of Hamas who are leading them to their demise.

You defended Israel killing civilians right here.

I look at it not necessarily as a war crime. It is simply war. Bad shit happens to innocent people during wars. And stuff like this has been going on for thousands of years and has been used hundreds of times.



It's a modern day version of a siege. Surround and isolate the city. Cut the city off from the rest of civilization. It's an old tactic.

 

[Frankfooter]

Where did I say I support genocide of Palestinians? Indont support hamas and had they went foe peace instead of war...none of this will happen.

You just supported genocide again, rich, by trying to blame Hamas for Israel's genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794144862868062414

 

[Frankfooter]

I laugh at the stupidity of your argument... you call Israel a terrorist state and Palestinian not when it's ruled by terrorist...you keep hiding your hatred of jews with the word zionist as if it's not obvious...well keep this in a loop all year round...

Israel is a terrorist state, a pariah state that refused to abide by the UN, UNSC, ICC and ICJ.
They have killed 25,000 women and children.

They are so much more evil than Hamas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794220890026394093

 

[Frankfooter]

Let me actually take back what I said and infact be objective and say that I do not know whether she was even slapped around. Most likely she ran from them and injured herself in the chaos. In the video, I did not even see those guys manhandle her. So her getting the shit kicked out of her, is your own interpretation, when you have no evidence that they did that and it wasn't even in the video.

But in case they did slap her around, yeah, I am not going to cry for this woman who was slapped around, when 25000 women and children have been SLAUGHTERED by Israel. Being outraged for the woman in the video is like comparing a murder to a bruise on the knee. You can repeat it as many times as you want, but most decent people are fresh out of empathy for Israel or a few roughed up Israelis.

That video was edited by the IDF and includes intentionally false translations.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793815613137203503