Judges do not live in a bubble. They are influenced by the same things that influence other families. They prefer one presidential candidate over another. They want their daughters to succeed in their careers (especially if she is working for his preferred candidate). Judges are not better people than anyone else, and in some cases they are worse. The challenge for a judge is not to deny these influences, but to acknowledge them and to try not to let these influences account for decisions. However, when those influences are publicly known, it can undermine respect for the justice system not to recuse, regardless of how fair a judge is trying to be. Justice must be SEEN to be done. Judges recuse themselves in these politically charged cases far too seldom.Besides, anyone who thinks a Judge who has earned his way to that level, is going to be implicitly or actively influenced by a politically active daughter is detached from reality. But reality is not the reality of cultists anyways, so no sense in anyone trying to deprogamme them.
Judges do not live in a bubble. They are influenced by the same things that influence other families. They prefer one presidential candidate over another. They want their daughters to succeed in their careers (especially if she is working for his preferred candidate). Judges are not better people than anyone else, and in some cases they are worse. The challenge for a judge is not to deny these influences, but to acknowledge them and to try not to let these influences account for decisions. However, when those influences are publicly known, it can undermine respect for the justice system not to recuse, regardless of how fair a judge is trying to be. Justice must be SEEN to be done. Judges recuse themselves in these politically charged cases far too seldom.
Agreed. E.g., Clarence thomas.Judges do not live in a bubble. They are influenced by the same things that influence other families. They prefer one presidential candidate over another. They want their daughters to succeed in their careers (especially if she is working for his preferred candidate). Judges are not better people than anyone else, and in some cases they are worse. The challenge for a judge is not to deny these influences, but to acknowledge them and to try not to let these influences account for decisions. However, when those influences are publicly known, it can undermine respect for the justice system not to recuse, regardless of how fair a judge is trying to be. Justice must be SEEN to be done. Judges recuse themselves in these politically charged cases far too seldom.
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One of us doesn't. I'll form my opinion on who it is based on my life in the real world. Because winning arguments on the internet is not really worth anything, I never disclose anything about my real world experience here on TERB.Sounds nice but in reality, you don't understand the legal system.
Most people I know who got into the practice of law did so because they believed it would lead to wealth and/or influence (even though it doesn't for most). Yes, the profession holds out the ideal of enhancing public confidence in the legal system - how could it do otherwise? But in practice, many lawyers and judges put their own personal interests ahead of strict service to law. Some of them (far too few) even get disbarred for it.Most people I know got into, and practice their profession in the legal system on the basis of upholding the law. Thre is a distinction between the legal system and justice. As you and so may other right wingers are quick to point out, many obviously culpable murderers, drug dealers, fraudsters and rapists do not end up where they would justifiably belong because Judges are trained, experienced, dedicated to the law and selected and vetted by by their peers to be faithful to the law. How many Judges have said words to the effect that they hate to have to dismiss a case, but the circumstances applied to the law require that they do.
People who are identifiable as lawyers are greatly restrained by their Rules of Conduct about what they can say about how the legal system works (or doesn't work). You're more likely to get an accurate take on those issues from someone (or an anonymous person) who is not bound by those restraints.I have two friends who are criminal lawyer who have been particularly successful in defending sex offenders. I aks them how can they do it. They bother say that they are faithful to the law and the over-arching importance of ensuring that everyone has the best defence available to them, that it better that a hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man have his liberty taken.
I would agree that personal influences apply to judges all the way up to SCOTUS, so what to do? At least SCOTUS is made up of 9 justices, so perhaps these influences can balance out? It isn't possible to substitute an alternate. I think the problem for SCOTUS justices is that none of them want to recuse themselves unless they would be assured that ALL justices would recuse themselves on the same bases - so it's bit of a standoffBut using your logic, do you think that the loudmouth fat bitch wife of pussy-whipped SCOTUS Judge Clarence Thomas woulld have more or less influence over his decision that of a Judge's already successful daughter?
I recognize your insight and respect this argument.One of us doesn't. I'll form my opinion on who it is based on my life in the real world. Because winning arguments on the internet is not really worth anything, I never disclose anything about my real world experience here on TERB.
Most people I know who got into the practice of law did so because they believed it would lead to wealth and/or influence (even though it doesn't for most). Yes, the profession holds out the ideal of enhancing public confidence in the legal system - how could it do otherwise? But in practice, many lawyers and judges put their own personal interests ahead of strict service to law. Some of them (far too few) even get disbarred for it.
Btw, in Canada judges are not trained. They are appointed straight from practice. Nor are they vetted by their peers. They are recommended by a small group of their peers (who have their own particular agenda) and appointed by governments (not the entire government, just the governing party). How a lawyer rises to the level of judicial candidate is a distinctly "political" process, as any failed candidate will tell you.
When judges talk about "I hate to do this" they are managing public reaction to their decisions. Why do they care about such reactions? Because they don't live in a bubble!
People who are identifiable as lawyers are greatly restrained by their Rules of Conduct about what they can say about how the legal system works (or doesn't work). You're more likely to get an accurate take on those issues from someone (or an anonymous person) who is not bound by those restraints.
The first rule of conduct is - you can't be badmouthing the goose that lays the golden eggs!
I would agree that personal influences apply to judges all the way up to SCOTUS, so what to do? At least SCOTUS is made up of 9 justices, so perhaps these influences can balance out? It isn't possible to substitute an alternate. I think the problem for SCOTUS justices is that none of them want to recuse themselves unless they would be assured that ALL justices would recuse themselves on the same bases - so it's bit of a standoff
Of course at the lower courts there is no such practical impediment. There are plenty of judges at every level of court who do not have the kind of influences that would undermine public confidence in a particular trial. The only thing that prevents more frequent recusal in political cases is a stubbornness about maintaining the illusion that the courts are entirely independent of the other branches of government.
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