Israel at war

[Dutch Oven]

I am not talking about the Russians. I am talking about the Gazans. But even in the case of the Russians, you know their elections are a hogwash. Its rigged! You cannot be implying they run free and fair elections like we do in Canada.

I understand and acknowledge that civilians will die in war.

But you said, that the populace is responsible or atleast shares part of the responsibility for electing Hamas. You know Hamas is a terrorist group, and you know they violently ousted Fatah. So any elections in Gaza were a sham. So clearly the Palestinian civilians in Gaza do not share the blame for what the Hamas did. They simply suffer the consequences of Hamas' actions. Which is why this is a tragedy. But if you don't agree with that, and say Gazans are atleast somewhat responsible, then that justifies collective punishment and you'd be saying the same thing many right wing Israelis have been spewing on social media that "There are no innocents in Gaza!!".

Your thinking is undisciplined.

Of course there are some "innocents" in Gaza. Children obviously. The mentally ill. Etc. But the able bodied and sound of mind adult citizens knew their government was Hamas (whether by way of legitimate election or otherwise), and knew the ways of Hamas, and what those ways would lead to. They did not organize against them, and there would have been PLENTY of assistance provided to them had they done so. They could even be co-operating now with the Israelis to identify the exact location of Hamas forces, strongholds and supplies. It doesn't appear that they are.

Sometimes it takes losing a war for a population to rid itself of bad leadership. That's what it took in Germany and Japan. Looks like that's what it's going to take in Gaza.

 

[Dutch Oven]

There will be unbelievable pushback on this. Bullying a disabled black woman will galvanize public opinion. Everyone is growing angry with this attempt to silence Canadians. There will be lawsuits by many individuals.

Yes, the pushback will be from people who are "unbelievable".

 

[Dutch Oven]

Much easier said than done, especially if there is an external government supporting the organization, and some citizens are sympathetic to it insofar as they have anybody else defending their geopolitical interests.

Many things in life aren't easy. Sometime you need a lot of motivation to do the right thing. In this case, the motivation to live, rather than die under the despotic rule of maniacs.

 

[richaceg]

No comparison. Multiple charts have been published in thread on the disparity in civilian deaths. Israel slaughters Palestinians in huge numbers. Palestinians don’t even come close.

If you want to go on, you can. But trying to argue that Israel doesn’t murder huge numbers of Palestinians compared to the other way around is like putting a “Kick Me” sign on your back.

not for the lack of effort...Hamas launched thousands of rockets to Israel...that shows you how much damage they want to inflict on Israel...imagine if Israel launch the same amount of rockets to Gaza...

 

[mitchell76]

 

[Dutch Oven]

The call for a ceasefire is as ridiculous as an assassin who fires first, but failing to kill his target, says "don't shoot back, we can talk about this!".

 

[mitchell76]

 

[Dutch Oven]

They were looking for Justin Trudeau hiding at Queen's park? Ridiculous, they should have been looking for him here:

 

[richaceg]

the rallies has become a joke now....the back up of traffic last saturday was terrible...like worst than the freedom convoy.....

 

[Dutch Oven]

I keep waiting for a Guy Caballero moment with this woman. LOL!

 

[Leimonis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716426427455655964

 

[Skoob]

I'm not taking sides...but can peace ever be achieved if someone is laying claim to land that was taken by conquest?
Globally, throughout history, wars have redrawn the borders everywhere. Should we as humans just accept that if another tribe has conquered us that we accept that?

If not, then there will be perpetual conflict as one side tries to reclaim what was theirs.

I'm not saying that I condone war...I'm asking a question.

 

[Skoob]

I know the limits of my own hypocrisy and even though she's a leftist in a useless party, I believe that she should be voted out in the next election if people have a problem with what she did regardless what public opinion may be right now.
Unless of course they were proven to have broken the law.

 

[Dutch Oven]

My thinking is undisciplined?

Yes.

Everyone in Gaza except for the ones who joined Hamas, is innocent.

Ludicrous.

If you were in that situation, would you try to save your children or would you be trying to reach out to the Israelis to point out where a Hamas guy you know is holed up?

If anyone is in that situation, the only way they can ensure the safety of their children is to evacuate. However, the only way to minimize the damage of this war, and to ensure it doesn't happen again in the future, is to assist the Israelis in surgically rooting out Hamas forces and infrastructure. If I was being held hostage in my home (as you suggest is the case for Gazans under Hamas rule) I wouldn't hesitate to help the police identify and remove the hostage takers.

Again, you are justifying collective punishment of Gazans. That is a war crime.

As I said, your thinking is undisciplined.

 

[Darts]

If you’re referring to me. It’s because you can’t read English, nor grasp context and comprehension. In your rush to project and label people as racist.

Watch the video, especially the intentional slaughter of babies. What else would you call it but. Sick, Barbaric, animalistic..

His and another poster's two favourite words are racist and racism.

 

[shack]

His and another poster's two favourite words are racist and racism.

dartsy, it's nice to see how you constantly think of me.

 

[richaceg]

I'm not taking sides...but can peace ever be achieved if someone is laying claim to land that was taken by conquest?
Globally, throughout history, wars have redrawn the borders everywhere. Should we as humans just accept that if another tribe has conquered us that we accept that?

If not, then there will be perpetual conflict as one side tries to reclaim what was theirs.

I'm not saying that I condone war...I'm asking a question.

The palestinian - Israeli conflict is kind of unique as both Jews and Arabs have been there for thousands of years....If you base it on the religion stand point...the early versions of Q'uran doesn't recognize Jerusalem at all...in the later versions, they recognize Al Aqsa as where mohammad ascended....that was the religious conflict.... on the land itself...I would blame the British and their conquest for superiority....they promised both sides...promise they can't fulfill...But vowing to cleanse the world of your neighbors can only end in 2 things...you get decimated or you succeed....

 

[Dutch Oven]

I agree with militarily dismantling Hamas. But you did not answer the points I raised regarding assigning blame to ALL adult Palestinians in Gaza. What makes you think there is an organized police force in Gaza doing anything to maintain order and that they somehow act independently without being threatened by a terrorist group that has claimed leadership? How would you as an individual act against such a terrorist group without your family being put in danger?

As I said, your comment lacks intellectual rigor that does not consider ground realities. So educate yourself instead of advocating for racism and collective punishment, which is a war crime.

You are so scrambled up. You can't tell the difference between an analogy and a description of fact. You overstate your points, and refuse to narrow them when it's pointed out to you that you are arguing against straw men of your own design. You're mostly on the right side of this issue, but you're not a good spokesperson because you are so confused.

 

[shack]

And your favourite quality is being racist. Along with your inability to look people in the eye and turtling in every conversation when challenged. Check shack's signature.

But darts says that you are not qualified to judge him. BTW, many others have made the same allegation.

Question: How many ways can the quote in my sig line be interpreted? He claims that I falsely accuse him of racist comments and ask him for some interpretation that I am missing, but each time he hides in his shell.

 

[Anbarandy]

You are so scrambled up. You can't tell the difference between an analogy and a description of fact. You overstate your points, and refuse to narrow them when it's pointed out to you that you are arguing against straw men of your own design. You're mostly on the right side of this issue, but you're not a good spokesperson because you are so confused.

He's confused.

He's got his confused face set to "ON"

He is the "Frankfooter of Modi" and the "Kautilya of Hamas" all pretzeled into one.

See how difficult it is for him to achieve a state of depretzelization.

It'd be so heart rendering if it wasn't all so comical.