Russia might be going tits up tonight

mandrill

Well-known member
Aug 23, 2001
76,530
88,114
113
How foolish was Putin to have hired a group of thuggish mercenaries to
do the dirty work of taking out tens of thousands of tenacious Ukrainian
fighters and then got rid of them after they were spent?
I thought The Poo's actual master plan was to take Kiyev in 3 days?..........

That way he wouldn't have needed the mercenaries who just publicly humiliated him.
 

oil&gas

Well-known member
Apr 16, 2002
13,558
2,086
113
Ghawar
I thought The Poo's actual master plan was to take Kiyev in 3 days?..........
I have no idea if that was Putin's plan.

That way he wouldn't have needed the mercenaries who just publicly humiliated him.
That humiliation is a small price to pay for Putin to get the
job done at Bakhmut. You have any idea how much tougher
it would have been to have as many Ukrainian soldiers
eliminated by Putin's regular troops?
 

mandrill

Well-known member
Aug 23, 2001
76,530
88,114
113
I have no idea if that was Putin's plan.
You must have slept through February - April 2022 then. Which is strange because you posted your nonsense hundreds of time during that period.

That humiliation is a small price to pay for Putin to get the
job done at Bakhmut. You have any idea how much tougher
it would have been to have as many Ukrainian soldiers
eliminated by Putin's regular troops?
Why?...... Because the Russian regular army is so ineffective that the casualty rate would have been 20:1 in Ukraine's favour, instead of 19:1?
 

oil&gas

Well-known member
Apr 16, 2002
13,558
2,086
113
Ghawar
Why?...... Because the Russian regular army is so ineffective that the casualty rate would have been 20:1 in Ukraine's favour, instead of 19:1?
Does it matter if casualty rate of Wagner troops was worse? If it
does what is the point of using mercenaries in place of regular
troops to fight a super tough battle?
 

squeezer

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
20,747
15,315
113
Does it matter if casualty rate of Wagner troops was worse? If it
does what is the point of using mercenaries in place of regular
troops to fight a super tough battle?
Sooooo, Wagner making Putin look like a big egg splatted all over his face with the threat of a military convoy racing to Moscow was all in Putin's master game plan?
 
Last edited:

jcpro

Well-known member
Jan 31, 2014
24,670
6,839
113
Does it matter if casualty rate of Wagner troops was worse? If it
does what is the point of using mercenaries in place of regular
troops to fight a super tough battle?
500 years ago Machiavelli warned about nation states using mercenaries. Looks like Putin never read it because not only he decided to use them, but he even gave control of them to someone else. Let that sink in- he gave away the control of a private army . Oops!
 

oil&gas

Well-known member
Apr 16, 2002
13,558
2,086
113
Ghawar
Sooooo, Wagner making Putin look like a big egg splatted all over his face with the threat of a military convoy racing to Moscow was all in Putin's master game plan?
It was or it was not. If it was, then march of rebels would turn back
way before they reached Moscow, exile of Prigozhin as well as disbanding
of Wagner troops were probably all in Putin's plan as well.
 

squeezer

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
20,747
15,315
113
It was or it was not. If it was, then march of rebels would turn back
way before they reached Moscow, exile of Prigozhin as well as disbanding
of Wagner troops were probably all in Putin's plan as well.
WOW, Putin is amazing eh? So then you agree, invading Ukraine was the smart thing to do for Putin, right??
 
  • Love
Reactions: SchlongConery

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
91,866
22,266
113
500 years ago Machiavelli warned about nation states using mercenaries. Looks like Putin never read it because not only he decided to use them, but he even gave control of them to someone else. Let that sink in- he gave away the control of a private army . Oops!
Last year you said that Putin would end up dead because of this war, this year you've been saying Zelensky is doomed.
Are you back to saying Putin is now doomed?
 

danmand

Well-known member
Nov 28, 2003
46,483
4,902
113
Last year you said that Putin would end up dead because of this war, this year you've been saying Zelensky is doomed.
Are you back to saying Putin is now doomed?
I think he is saying that you are clueless.
 

jcpro

Well-known member
Jan 31, 2014
24,670
6,839
113
Last year you said that Putin would end up dead because of this war, this year you've been saying Zelensky is doomed.
Are you back to saying Putin is now doomed?
I've never said that Zelensky was "doomed ". And Putin will end up dead because of this war. He will certainly meet that end, especially if he allows Prigohzin to live. Putin made a mistake by invading Ukraine in a way he did.
 

squeezer

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
20,747
15,315
113
I've never said that Zelensky was "doomed ". And Putin will end up dead because of this war. He will certainly meet that end, especially if he allows Prigohzin to live. Putin made a mistake by invading Ukraine in a way he did.
How should he have properly done it?? I do agree with you on Putin having to take some action on Prigohzin if he wants to look like he's actually the man.
 

DinkleMouse

Well-known member
Jan 15, 2022
1,435
1,760
113
I have no idea if that was Putin's plan.



That humiliation is a small price to pay for Putin to get the
job done at Bakhmut. You have any idea how much tougher
it would have been to have as many Ukrainian soldiers
eliminated by Putin's regular troops?
Are you admitting the Russian army is incompetent compared to mercenaries?

In any case, do you have any idea how much tougher it would have been? Because you're the guy who made predictions of 1:10 Ukrainian death death rate and then admitted you just completely invented it based on nothing: no research, no experience, no reference. Just a stab in the dark. So you're really not qualified to many these comments.
 

rgkv

old timer
Nov 14, 2005
4,007
1,535
113
one good thing is this Prigozhin guy and his gang may not fight for Russia anymore.. I think there were big problem before
 

Leimonis

Well-known member
Feb 28, 2020
9,776
9,519
113
Putin made a mistake by invading Ukraine in a way he did.
president trump said it was genius though!

I don’t know whose opinion I value more…
 

Knuckle Ball

Well-known member
Oct 15, 2017
7,371
3,523
113
Everyone should be VERY careful believing anything coming out of that situation for the next little while.
We have two people who are well known for disinformation and social media manipulation here, and no independent Russian journalists on the ground to provide something credible.

Teasing out what is actually going on is not going to be easy.
Pfffft…Hard for you…easy for me:

Me becoming a Russian Military Expert after already mastering submarine engineering this weekend
 

jcpro

Well-known member
Jan 31, 2014
24,670
6,839
113
How should he have properly done it?? I do agree with you on Putin having to take some action on Prigohzin if he wants to look like he's actually the man.
The proper way was to move on at least two axis with an overwhelming force. Everybody knows that.
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts