Amnesty International: Israel Apartheid

[basketcase]

Thank you for making my point.

Me, I'm against apartheid.
You can scream 'racist' as much as you like but as long as you're defending apartheid its just noise.

You are against Israel existing and in that crusade have proven you have no interest in the rights or opinions of Palestinians unless you think it backs up your obsession.


Care to explain your blaming Israel for the opinions of the leading Western democracies?

BTW. Bill Maher just described the US as having been an Apartheid state for most of it's existence. Is that a valid comparison in your mid or is that just a term you use for your obsession with a Jewish majority state?

 

[Frankfooter]

I found a leading Israeli Arab, who despite the bullshit apartheid claims is an elected member of the legislature and a member of the governing coalition. His existence and position alone disprove the Apartheid comparison.

I found an entire Jewish organization that agrees and says Israel is apartheid.
You are outnumbered.

Canadian Jewish Group Welcomes New Amnesty Report on Israeli Apartheid, Urges Government to Act

For Immediate Release February 1, 2022 - Independent Jewish Voices Canada (IJV) welcomes today’s launch of a major report by Amnesty International, which makes the case with meticulous detail that Israel is committing the internationally-recognized crime of apartheid. Amnesty International is th

www.ijvcanada.org

 

[Frankfooter]

You are against Israel existing and in that crusade have proven you have no interest in the rights or opinions of Palestinians unless you think it backs up your obsession.

Its against board policy to make false statements about people's beliefs.
Stop it our I will have to report you.

I fully support Israel/Palestine existing as long as they end apartheid and give everyone living there equal rights.
Call it what you like, just end the apartheid.

 

[basketcase]

I found an entire J...

Another excuse for you to ignore the people you pretend to be speaking for. But it is a bit strange that you are taking the opinions of Jews over that of Palestinians.

 

[basketcase]

Its against board policy to make false statements about people's beliefs.
Stop it our I will have to report you.
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Go for it. Your posting history is quite clear.

You have made it quite clear that you think Jews in the Middle East are colonizers with no right to be there and have repeatedly said that Jews have no right to be in the West Bank (while pretending to be in favour of equal rights). Your claims of supporting equal rights are pathetically disproven by your own posts, as is the way you clearly have no interest in Palestinians except when you can criticize Israel. You have been 100% clear that your problem with Israel is simply because Israel exists as a country with a sizeable Jewish population and are willing to justify disgusting behaviours from any group that shares your obsession. You have also repeatedly defending groups like Hamas who openly advocate for the removal of Jews using violence.

I am confident that my views align with that of the Canadian government while you endorse groups that Canada has describes as counterproductive and often a front for anti-semitism, you keep making excuses for groups Canada defines as designated terrorist entities, and continually check of many boxes on Canada's definition of anti-semitism. You also reject the views of Canada and the UN about how the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be solved.

But sure, keep on pretending you have any level of moral consistency while making up the strawmaniest or strawman arguments to try and cover for the inconsistencies you recognize in your views.

 

[richaceg]

I found an entire Jewish organization that agrees and says Israel is apartheid.
You are outnumbered.

Canadian Jewish Group Welcomes New Amnesty Report on Israeli Apartheid, Urges Government to Act

For Immediate Release February 1, 2022 - Independent Jewish Voices Canada (IJV) welcomes today’s launch of a major report by Amnesty International, which makes the case with meticulous detail that Israel is committing the internationally-recognized crime of apartheid. Amnesty International is th

www.ijvcanada.org

lol you only love them when they agree with your opinion...but you ignore the Palestinians who wanted under Israeli rule..

 

[richaceg]

Its against board policy to make false statements about people's beliefs.
Stop it our I will have to report you.

I fully support Israel/Palestine existing as long as they end apartheid and give everyone living there equal rights.
Call it what you like, just end the apartheid.

lol...when you're not winning an argument you're last resort is to run to the mods...be a man for once....

 

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You mean the people you want to force to be Israelis against their will?

You support Israel forcing the people in Gaza to live with no control of water, food, electricity, immigration, security or health care.
You support forcing Palestinians to live under apartheid rule.
You support forcing Palestinians out of their homes for settlements.
You support ruling Palestinians in a military occupation.

I support the Palestinian BDS movement to peacefully end apartheid through sanctions and boycotts.

 

[Frankfooter]

Go for it. Your posting history is quite clear.

You have made it quite clear that you think Jews in the Middle East are colonizers with no right to be there and have repeatedly said that Jews have no right to be in the West Bank (while pretending to be in favour of equal rights). Your claims of supporting equal rights are pathetically disproven by your own posts, as is the way you clearly have no interest in Palestinians except when you can criticize Israel. You have been 100% clear that your problem with Israel is simply because Israel exists as a country with a sizeable Jewish population and are willing to justify disgusting behaviours from any group that shares your obsession. You have also repeatedly defending groups like Hamas who openly advocate for the removal of Jews using violence.

You must believe that Israel cannot exist as a Jewish state without apartheid.
How sad.

The idea that a country can't exist with equal rights is very un-Canadian.
You continue to argue that Palestinians don't deserve equal rights, security, their own homes or country, citizenship or basic human rights.

It took years for Canada to end support of apartheid in South Africa.
It won't take long for Canada to take a strong stand against racists again.

Our shame: Canada supported apartheid South Africa

Ottawa’s policy towards apartheid South Africa was controversial among Canadians. There was an active solidarity movement that opposed Canadian support for the racist regime and to the extent that Canadian politicians played a role in challenging South African apartheid it was largely due to...

canadiandimension.com

 

[basketcase]

You support Israel forcing the people in Gaza to live with no control of water, food, electricity, immigration, security or health care.
You support forcing Palestinians to live under apartheid rule.
You support forcing Palestinians out of their homes for settlements.
You support ruling Palestinians in a military occupation.

I support the Palestinian BDS movement to peacefully end apartheid through sanctions and boycotts.

And as usual you run away from reality by making stupid strawman accusations, all in your effort to demonize Israel and justify any anti-Israel actions.

The ONLY way for peace is for the two sides to negotiate. Your campaign is dumb. There is no way a one-sided attempt to make Israel force Palestinians to become Israeli against their will can ever create peace.

 

[basketcase]

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The idea that a country can't exist with equal rights is very un-Canadian.
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Your idea of imposing a solution on the Palestinians against their democratic and self-determination rights is very un-Canadian.

The vast majority of Palestinians don't want to be Israeli no matter how much your western elitism tells them they're wrong.



p.s. Love when you talk about racists while avoiding the fact that groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other are opposed to Israel for the simple fact that they don't want to live alongside Jews.

 

[basketcase]

The more I see you post, the clearer it is that you either have no idea about what South African Apartheid was like or you simply don't care in your pathetic crusade.

A simple example is in South Africa, minorities weren't allowed to vote. In Israel, not only do they vote but an Arab Muslim party is part of the governing coalition (and they say the Apartheid description is BS). If you had any clue of what SA was like, you would realize why the comparison is so ridiculous.

 

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And as usual you run away from reality by making stupid strawman accusations, all in your effort to demonize Israel and justify any anti-Israel actions.

The ONLY way for peace is for the two sides to negotiate. Your campaign is dumb. There is no way a one-sided attempt to make Israel force Palestinians to become Israeli against their will can ever create peace.

You flood these threads with straw man after straw man.
But its clear that you don't think Israel can survive without apartheid.

Apartheid in South Africa was ended through an international campaign of boycotts and sanctions.
BDS is the Palestinian driven campaign to end apartheid in Israel through boycotts and sanctions.

 

[Frankfooter]

p.s. Love when you talk about racists while avoiding the fact that groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other are opposed to Israel for the simple fact that they don't want to live alongside Jews.

That's very Islamaphobic of you basketcase.

 

[Frankfooter]

The more I see you post, the clearer it is that you either have no idea about what South African Apartheid was like or you simply don't care in your pathetic crusade.

A simple example is in South Africa, minorities weren't allowed to vote. In Israel, not only do they vote but an Arab Muslim party is part of the governing coalition (and they say the Apartheid description is BS). If you had any clue of what SA was like, you would realize why the comparison is so ridiculous.

The majority of the population under Israeli rule is now Palestinian and most of them cannot vote.
Most of them live as stateless refugees on land that could have been Palestine.

 

[basketcase]

You flood these threads with straw man after straw man.
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You really need to check on the definition of strawman because it does not mean quoting people's posts.

And as I said, you obviously either have no idea what the laws were like in Apartheid South Africa or are simply parroting talking points that fit your obsession. Go ahead and look up those laws. The closest thing is South Africa banned inter-racial marriages while Israelis can only be married in Israel in religious services so it falls to Priests, Rabbis, and or an Imams. And of course Israel recognizes marriages performed outside of Israel so it becomes an inconvenience, not a ban. I believe many Israelis do destination weddings to avoid a religious wedding.

 

[basketcase]

That's very Islamaphobic of you basketcase.

And the old excuse that it's racist to mention that Hamas are racist.

 

[basketcase]

The majority of the population under Israeli rule is now Palestinian and most of them cannot vote.
Most of them live as stateless refugees on land that could have been Palestine.

The vast majority of Palestinians don't want to be Israeli not vote in Israeli elections no matter how much you want to force them to. Most Palestinians want their own state. The sticking point is part of the Palestinian leadership is more interested in getting rid of Jews than they are in creating a Palestinian state.

 

[Frankfooter]

You really need to check on the definition of strawman because it does not mean quoting people's posts.

And as I said, you obviously either have no idea what the laws were like in Apartheid South Africa or are simply parroting talking points that fit your obsession. Go ahead and look up those laws. The closest thing is South Africa banned inter-racial marriages while Israelis can only be married in Israel in religious services so it falls to Priests, Rabbis, and or an Imams. And of course Israel recognizes marriages performed outside of Israel so it becomes an inconvenience, not a ban. I believe many Israelis do destination weddings to avoid a religious wedding.

As I said, there are 4 major reports detailing the specific ways Israel is apartheid in each of Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem and inside the Green Line.
Each of them are apartheid.

I'd say you are not a source of trustworthy information on the comparison between South Africa and Israel. I'd go first to Amnesty, B'tselem, Yesh Din and the UN but I'd also say the words of Bishop Desmond Tutu should really just stop you from repeating your claims altogether.

Desmond Tutu: Israel guilty of apartheid in treatment of Palestinians

Tutu, the Nobel Peace laureate, criticized Israeli policies toward the Palestinians in the territories as "humiliating."

www.jpost.com

 

[Frankfooter]

And the old excuse that it's racist to mention that Hamas are racist.

No, its racist to claim that all Palestinians are filled with hate.
Even more so when you don't call out hate from extremists in Israel.

Violent Israeli settlers are starting to resemble the KKK

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