Only Three Months Left For Planet Earth( and other false doomsday predictions)
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There's lies, damned lies, and then there's statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics
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You made that claim many times
Will I invest the time searching to prove you are lying again?
Deny this again and find out
Two actions occurring simultaneously (at the same time) with only one output and on a global scale?
No way.
They can guess , but far too much guessing in Climate science. Look how you did guessing
You do not make the rules, especially when it comes to your credibility and honesty
What is wrong with you ?
No deal , but I shall remind you of some recent lies
Lets start with this one
and then you post a temp chart clearly showing the Medieval warming period (1,100 AD) . and you did this in the same post! It was either an outright lie or you are incredibly stupid. Your choice
you never owned up to that
too embarrassed I suspect
And then when I posted about the US temp decline
1. You tried to explain a three year period using a five year year average (holy stupid batman)
2. when that did not work you tried to claim the decline did not exist at all because the link was broken. This is after you had already senn and commented on the the decline. (Really? children are smarter than that)
3. After that did not work , you refused to address this for a week claiming cherry picking
4. Then you said it must be el Nino in 2016
so at least three or four on this one issue
You are a pathological liar and completely clueless about science
Sigh There is no empirical evidence to support this statement
Correlation is not causation
and you have admitted natural climate variation supposedly cause the warming in 2016. you can do that without opening the door for natural Variation to be the primary driver of all the gentle warming we've experienced since the start of the industrial revolution.
That is how science works
you are the one how needs to pay attention
Whatever, mr science.
They are smarter than you and can figure it out.
Accept that there are people smarter than you and they can figure it out.
I know you can't find examples when I'm wrong because I am right in these threads and you aren't.
Easy challenge that I knew you'd drop or find some excuse not to take.
Yes, lets.
From the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
Yup, I'm right and you're not.
Score yet another one for me.
Here we go again.
1) Five year averages are useful in determining trends, not so the case with one, cherry picked, 3 year period - you are wrong
2) Your link was dead, you want me to comment on a chart I can't look at? - wrong again
3) I addressed it by showing you that you are cherry picking dates, a charge you have yet to understand or defend. - again you are wrong
4) I said that you cherry picked 2016 because it was the last strong El Nino year so was warmer - I am right about this and you are wrong
That's 4 for 4 where I am right and you can't even understand the debate.
Try again, mr science.
Oh, for bonus, here's a chart of global temps with El Nino and La Nina years colour coded so you can see what's happening.
Enjoy.
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zero integrity
whats is the value of the words from someone who wont stand behind what he says?
Zero value
You are best to be ignored
Ah, so you won't stand behind what you say, unlike me?
I challenged you and now you've backed down now you accuse me of not standing behind what I say?
Go ahead and stand behind what you said and prove it was my claim that CO2 is the 'control knob of the climate'.
Tasmania was devastated by fire during the global cooling scare of 1967
Tasmania Fires 1967
In a span of 5 hours, 110 fires raged around southern Tasmania claiming 62 lives and leaving 900 injured. This devastating day in 1967 became known as Black Tuesday. In terms of loss of property and lives, it was one of the worst disasters that Australia had seen at that time.
One of the worst fires was the one that encroached on Hobart which came within two kilometres of the centre of Hobart. Half a million acres of land was burnt, leaving an estimated 62,000 farm animals dead and 7000 people without homes.
https://www.realinsurance.com.au/life-insurance/community/bushfires-floods-earthquakes-top-10
Tasmania Fires 1967
In a span of 5 hours, 110 fires raged around southern Tasmania claiming 62 lives and leaving 900 injured. This devastating day in 1967 became known as Black Tuesday. In terms of loss of property and lives, it was one of the worst disasters that Australia had seen at that time.
One of the worst fires was the one that encroached on Hobart which came within two kilometres of the centre of Hobart. Half a million acres of land was burnt, leaving an estimated 62,000 farm animals dead and 7000 people without homes.
https://www.realinsurance.com.au/life-insurance/community/bushfires-floods-earthquakes-top-10
Am I missing something are you saying that your chart doesn't show a big rise in CO2 starting in the 1950's?Two things wrong in one sentence.
Well done!
What we do know is that chart's global temperature measurements are as phony as a 3 dollar bill. For one we don't have much of a global temperature record through instrumentation prior to WWII. The U.S. has the most expansive and accurate temperature record. Then some parts of western Europe, Canada, Japan and Australia. And what we do know from that instrument record is that the 1930's were exceptionally warm. Not like what this graph is portraying. This is manipulated data on steroids.
Here is a chart you can believe in
http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide_19.html
Terb members on ignore: Frankfooter
On this date in 1971 during the Ice Age Hysteria, a massive tornado outbreak and snowstorm caused hundreds of casualties in the US.
Its more exponential, with CO2 starting to rise more with the industrial revolution.
Its hardly tied specifically to actions in the '50's.
Your personal opinions on what you think global temperatures are wrong and ill informed, if you think you have better sources post them and show how they come up with their numbers and why they are better.
As a typical larue post that chart has no basis in legit science.
No references, no data, no legit basis in science to support what is a radically different belief in greenhouse gases.
But that's enough for larue's confirmation bias for him to believe it.
And how does that curve compare with the curve from what has actually happened?
It has everything to do with actions in the 1940's and 1950's which is the post WWII boom in mass production. And everything I claim about global temperature measurement is fact. The vast majority of the planet's surface and all of the oceans had little to no temperature measurement prior to WWII. Are you denying that?
What about the 60's, 70's and 80's?
What about the industrial revolution?
CO2 and the accompanying rise in temperature has been rising exponentially, it appears.
I have no idea why you want to blame one decade when its obviously a long term and ongoing issue.
Sad news in the climate change denier world, I'm afraid.
Scientific hero Mad Mike Hughes has died during his steam powered rocket flight as he attempted to prove that he world is flat.
https://twitter.com/justindchapman/...2020/02/24/flat-earther-mike-hughes-dies.html
With the death of the king of the flat earthers, climate change deniers join anti-vaxxers now as the new flat earthers, the new reigning kings of science denial.
May you wear your new titles proudly and find just as noble a way to test your theories as Hughes and his steam powered rocket.
Scientific hero Mad Mike Hughes has died during his steam powered rocket flight as he attempted to prove that he world is flat.
https://twitter.com/justindchapman/...2020/02/24/flat-earther-mike-hughes-dies.html
With the death of the king of the flat earthers, climate change deniers join anti-vaxxers now as the new flat earthers, the new reigning kings of science denial.
May you wear your new titles proudly and find just as noble a way to test your theories as Hughes and his steam powered rocket.
Green/ Eco Policies Keeping Africa on the brink of starvation
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/23/keeping-africa-on-the-brink-of-starvation/
UN and EU government agencies – and tax-exempt NGOs – have brought a plague of locusts
Paul Driessen
Billions of desert locusts have descended again on East Africa. Crawling first, then sprouting wings and flying in hungry hoards of 40-150 million or more, they are devastating crops and threatening tens of millions of people with lost livelihoods and starvation. This latest locust plague, says the United Nations, is the worst in 70 years for Kenya, the worst in 25 years for Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti and Somalia.
Locust swarms can blanket scores or hundreds of square miles at a time, travel 80 miles a day, and consume more than 400 million pounds of vegetation daily, Africa Fighting Malaria cofounder Richard Tren notes. The insects increase their numbers logarithmically, meaning numbers can be 500 times higher in six months. In Ethiopia, on January 9, a massive swarm nearly brought down a Boeing 737 jetliner.
Many fear the voracious insects could soon reach croplands in South Sudan, Uganda, and even Asia.
Despite past history, UN Food and Agricultural Organization officials say this is an “unprecedented threat” to food security, one “of international dimensions.” It’s “a far more serious emergency than we had earlier anticipated,” an African official said. “Please do not wait to act,” FAO Deputy-Director-General Helena Semedo pleaded at a February 7 gathering of “international experts” and African leaders.
Desperate Africans are responding with “time-tested” methods: whistling and shouting loudly, banging on metal buckets, waving blankets and sticks, crushing the bugs – perhaps even roasting and eating them, under UN-approved nutrition programs. In Eritrea, they are using “more advanced” methods: hand-held and truck-mounted sprayers. In Kenya, police are firing machine guns and tear gas into the swarms!
Fenitrothion is a highly effective pesticide against locust swarms. But only in Ethiopia, it seems, are they spraying pesticides from small airplanes. Fenitrothion supplies are extremely limited – and aerial spraying is too expensive for cash-strapped countries, too dangerous in areas wracked by radical Muslim insurgencies, and minimally effective against such massive swarms with so few available aircraft. And it takes days for pesticide-phobic farmers to move cattle and goats out of areas that could be sprayed.
In this era of incredible modern agricultural and insect control technologies, when American farmers get 3-5 times more crop yields per acre than 50 years ago**** – how is it possible that Africa remains perpetually on the brink of starvation? That Africa faces yet another locust plague of biblical pharaoh proportions? That Africans must rely on absurd “time-tested,” almost totally ineffective locust control methods?
Incredibly, this looming catastrophe is due to policies and programs that have been officially adopted and deliberately implemented by the very UN agencies that are now crying loudest about the horrific situation.
For years now, the FAO, UN Development Programme and UN Environment Programme (UNEP) have been working in cahoots with some of the most radical environmentalist pressure groups on Earth to devise and impose “agroecology” – a perverse combination of socialism, pseudo-ecology and primitive, anti-technology agriculture. The program is financed and advanced by the UN, by European governments via their development agencies and funding of environmentalist NGOs – and even by US taxpayers, who provide 22% of UN funding and underwrite grants to and tax-exempt status for environmentalist groups.
Agroecology is above all political. It rejects virtually everything that has enabled modern agriculture to feed billions more people from less acreage. It rabidly opposes monoculture farming, hybrid seeds, synthetic/non-organic insecticides and fertilizers, biotechnology … and even mechanized equipment like tractors! It claims Dr. Norman Borlaug’s Green Revolution, which saved a billion people from starvation, did little more than put global food production “under the control of a few transnational corporations.”
Acceptance of agroecology tenets and restrictions has become a condition for poor farmers getting seeds, and their countries and local communities getting development loans and food aid. Mid-level bureaucrats get cushy jobs overseeing and propagandizing agroecology campaigns, while ruling elites get more opportunities to siphon off additional millions in international aid money. They still erect roadblocks to Golden Rice, which could save 2 million parents and children a year from blindness and death.
AgroEcology advocates extol “food sovereignty” and the “right to subsistence farming.” They promote “indigenous agricultural knowledge and practices,” to the exclusion of knowledge, practices, technologies and equipment that have been developed in recent decades – and could help end Africa’s perpetual poverty, malnutrition, disease, joblessness and early death. They sow fear about pesticides and GM food.
Instead of transforming and modernizing African agriculture, the UN, FAO, UNEP, and radical groups like Food First, La Via Campesina, Greenpeace and IFOAM Organics International demand “culturally appropriate” food produced through “ecologically sound and sustainable methods,” as only they can twist those terms to serve their sick determination to negate and roll back human progress.
FAO Steering Committee member Miguel Altieri insists that all this will promote “resiliency” in African food production. The locust plague and imminent starvation underscore just how “resilient” agroecology has made East Africa. There’s barely enough food for good times, much less days of droughts and locusts. Modern agriculture could turn much of Africa into a bread basket – but the lunatics won’t allow it.
In 2012, Kenya banned biotech (GM or GMO) food, even as highly successful pilot projects were doubling and tripling crop yields for Kenyan and South African farmers, and ending plant diseases that had devastated papaya and cassava crops. Now, even as locusts wipe out staple food crops, rabid NGOs are pressuring Kenya’s Parliament to ban over 200 pesticides that have been approved as safe for crops, wildlife and people by Kenyan authorities and by regulators in the USA, Canada and other nations.
Meanwhile, well-fed Uhura Kenyatta, president of Kenya since 2013, resorts to the typical cop-out: the locust plague is the result of climate change. And Kenya’s Ministry of Health says, even if there is a severe famine and a threat to loss of life, “every effort” will be made to “source [imported] food from non-GMO sources, failing which emergency GM food may be allowed in.” Shades of Zambia 2002!
Adding to the insanity, in late January the United Nations claimed it needed “more than $70 million from donors” to address the locust crisis. For 2020, the UN budget is $3.1 billion; the FAO’s is $1 billion; the UNEP’s $790 million; and the Green Climate Fund has some $2 billion, plus pledges of some $6 billion.
Surely, these outfits can find a measly $70 million in these bloated treasuries to address a genuine humanitarian crisis – even if they have to claw it away from agroecology and similarly useless programs.
And what about the rights of African farmers who don’t want to practice agroecology, who want to use modern seeds, fertilizers, pesticides and machinery? Do the FAO and UN Human Rights Commission support those rights of self-determination? Why isn’t the HRC blasting the NGOs, EU countries and UN agencies for these human rights violations and the misery, malnutrition, disease and death they cause?
Agroecology burdens African farmers “with systems that my grandfather gave up on 125 years ago,” Indiana farmer and US Ambassador to the FAO and other Rome-based UN agencies Kip Tom told people attending the February 20 USDA Agricultural Outlook Forum dinner. Whereas previous FAO Director-General José Graziano da Silva was deeply involved in the agroecology movement, thankfully his replacement (Qu Dongyu of China) is a scientist who seems “willing to work with” American farmers and the Trump Administration “to feed a growing and hungry world,” Ambassador Tom added.
Agroecology represents eco-imperialism at its worst. Under any fair and balanced application of their own beliefs and standards, today’s “woke” environmental, campus and progressive activists would charge the organizations imposing agroecology on Africa with eco-manslaughter. But that will never happen.
President Trump, the Agriculture Department and Congress should loudly and publicly stigmatize the FAO, UN and EU and their NGOs – and terminate any funding and tax exemptions that support agroecology. US agencies should devote their resources to rooting out this perverse system and helping Africa bring modern agriculture, disease control, health and living standards to its mistreated families.
Paul Driessen is senior policy advisor for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green power-black death and articles on environmental and human rights issues.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/23/keeping-africa-on-the-brink-of-starvation/
UN and EU government agencies – and tax-exempt NGOs – have brought a plague of locusts
Paul Driessen
Billions of desert locusts have descended again on East Africa. Crawling first, then sprouting wings and flying in hungry hoards of 40-150 million or more, they are devastating crops and threatening tens of millions of people with lost livelihoods and starvation. This latest locust plague, says the United Nations, is the worst in 70 years for Kenya, the worst in 25 years for Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti and Somalia.
Locust swarms can blanket scores or hundreds of square miles at a time, travel 80 miles a day, and consume more than 400 million pounds of vegetation daily, Africa Fighting Malaria cofounder Richard Tren notes. The insects increase their numbers logarithmically, meaning numbers can be 500 times higher in six months. In Ethiopia, on January 9, a massive swarm nearly brought down a Boeing 737 jetliner.
Many fear the voracious insects could soon reach croplands in South Sudan, Uganda, and even Asia.
Despite past history, UN Food and Agricultural Organization officials say this is an “unprecedented threat” to food security, one “of international dimensions.” It’s “a far more serious emergency than we had earlier anticipated,” an African official said. “Please do not wait to act,” FAO Deputy-Director-General Helena Semedo pleaded at a February 7 gathering of “international experts” and African leaders.
Desperate Africans are responding with “time-tested” methods: whistling and shouting loudly, banging on metal buckets, waving blankets and sticks, crushing the bugs – perhaps even roasting and eating them, under UN-approved nutrition programs. In Eritrea, they are using “more advanced” methods: hand-held and truck-mounted sprayers. In Kenya, police are firing machine guns and tear gas into the swarms!
Fenitrothion is a highly effective pesticide against locust swarms. But only in Ethiopia, it seems, are they spraying pesticides from small airplanes. Fenitrothion supplies are extremely limited – and aerial spraying is too expensive for cash-strapped countries, too dangerous in areas wracked by radical Muslim insurgencies, and minimally effective against such massive swarms with so few available aircraft. And it takes days for pesticide-phobic farmers to move cattle and goats out of areas that could be sprayed.
In this era of incredible modern agricultural and insect control technologies, when American farmers get 3-5 times more crop yields per acre than 50 years ago**** – how is it possible that Africa remains perpetually on the brink of starvation? That Africa faces yet another locust plague of biblical pharaoh proportions? That Africans must rely on absurd “time-tested,” almost totally ineffective locust control methods?
Incredibly, this looming catastrophe is due to policies and programs that have been officially adopted and deliberately implemented by the very UN agencies that are now crying loudest about the horrific situation.
For years now, the FAO, UN Development Programme and UN Environment Programme (UNEP) have been working in cahoots with some of the most radical environmentalist pressure groups on Earth to devise and impose “agroecology” – a perverse combination of socialism, pseudo-ecology and primitive, anti-technology agriculture. The program is financed and advanced by the UN, by European governments via their development agencies and funding of environmentalist NGOs – and even by US taxpayers, who provide 22% of UN funding and underwrite grants to and tax-exempt status for environmentalist groups.
Agroecology is above all political. It rejects virtually everything that has enabled modern agriculture to feed billions more people from less acreage. It rabidly opposes monoculture farming, hybrid seeds, synthetic/non-organic insecticides and fertilizers, biotechnology … and even mechanized equipment like tractors! It claims Dr. Norman Borlaug’s Green Revolution, which saved a billion people from starvation, did little more than put global food production “under the control of a few transnational corporations.”
Acceptance of agroecology tenets and restrictions has become a condition for poor farmers getting seeds, and their countries and local communities getting development loans and food aid. Mid-level bureaucrats get cushy jobs overseeing and propagandizing agroecology campaigns, while ruling elites get more opportunities to siphon off additional millions in international aid money. They still erect roadblocks to Golden Rice, which could save 2 million parents and children a year from blindness and death.
AgroEcology advocates extol “food sovereignty” and the “right to subsistence farming.” They promote “indigenous agricultural knowledge and practices,” to the exclusion of knowledge, practices, technologies and equipment that have been developed in recent decades – and could help end Africa’s perpetual poverty, malnutrition, disease, joblessness and early death. They sow fear about pesticides and GM food.
Instead of transforming and modernizing African agriculture, the UN, FAO, UNEP, and radical groups like Food First, La Via Campesina, Greenpeace and IFOAM Organics International demand “culturally appropriate” food produced through “ecologically sound and sustainable methods,” as only they can twist those terms to serve their sick determination to negate and roll back human progress.
FAO Steering Committee member Miguel Altieri insists that all this will promote “resiliency” in African food production. The locust plague and imminent starvation underscore just how “resilient” agroecology has made East Africa. There’s barely enough food for good times, much less days of droughts and locusts. Modern agriculture could turn much of Africa into a bread basket – but the lunatics won’t allow it.
In 2012, Kenya banned biotech (GM or GMO) food, even as highly successful pilot projects were doubling and tripling crop yields for Kenyan and South African farmers, and ending plant diseases that had devastated papaya and cassava crops. Now, even as locusts wipe out staple food crops, rabid NGOs are pressuring Kenya’s Parliament to ban over 200 pesticides that have been approved as safe for crops, wildlife and people by Kenyan authorities and by regulators in the USA, Canada and other nations.
Meanwhile, well-fed Uhura Kenyatta, president of Kenya since 2013, resorts to the typical cop-out: the locust plague is the result of climate change. And Kenya’s Ministry of Health says, even if there is a severe famine and a threat to loss of life, “every effort” will be made to “source [imported] food from non-GMO sources, failing which emergency GM food may be allowed in.” Shades of Zambia 2002!
Adding to the insanity, in late January the United Nations claimed it needed “more than $70 million from donors” to address the locust crisis. For 2020, the UN budget is $3.1 billion; the FAO’s is $1 billion; the UNEP’s $790 million; and the Green Climate Fund has some $2 billion, plus pledges of some $6 billion.
Surely, these outfits can find a measly $70 million in these bloated treasuries to address a genuine humanitarian crisis – even if they have to claw it away from agroecology and similarly useless programs.
And what about the rights of African farmers who don’t want to practice agroecology, who want to use modern seeds, fertilizers, pesticides and machinery? Do the FAO and UN Human Rights Commission support those rights of self-determination? Why isn’t the HRC blasting the NGOs, EU countries and UN agencies for these human rights violations and the misery, malnutrition, disease and death they cause?
Agroecology burdens African farmers “with systems that my grandfather gave up on 125 years ago,” Indiana farmer and US Ambassador to the FAO and other Rome-based UN agencies Kip Tom told people attending the February 20 USDA Agricultural Outlook Forum dinner. Whereas previous FAO Director-General José Graziano da Silva was deeply involved in the agroecology movement, thankfully his replacement (Qu Dongyu of China) is a scientist who seems “willing to work with” American farmers and the Trump Administration “to feed a growing and hungry world,” Ambassador Tom added.
Agroecology represents eco-imperialism at its worst. Under any fair and balanced application of their own beliefs and standards, today’s “woke” environmental, campus and progressive activists would charge the organizations imposing agroecology on Africa with eco-manslaughter. But that will never happen.
President Trump, the Agriculture Department and Congress should loudly and publicly stigmatize the FAO, UN and EU and their NGOs – and terminate any funding and tax exemptions that support agroecology. US agencies should devote their resources to rooting out this perverse system and helping Africa bring modern agriculture, disease control, health and living standards to its mistreated families.
Paul Driessen is senior policy advisor for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green power-black death and articles on environmental and human rights issues.
